Wheelchair Fakers

[PARKGUY]

Have you ever caught someone faking it in a wheelchair?

I remember one Horror Nights, I saw this wheelchair coming down the hall from a reflection in the mirror maze. I leaped in front of it, in my freaky Treak costume, and the guy in the chair PRACTICALLY LEAPED OUT OF THE CHAIR in fright, then got back in.

I really hope he had some sort of unseen condition, because that was just ridiculous...

[Stduck]

All the time. People still believe that you get priority line privledges if you are in a wheelchair. At DCA I believe all the lines are Wheelchair accessable. At DL some of our newer attractions have wheelchair accessable queues. Many times (in the case of Mansion or Pirates) the wheelchair line is as long or longer then the regular line due to how many chairs we can accomidate on the attraction at one time.

[CBeilby]

Back in August, I was sweeping Small World/Matterhorn when we had a group of four of these. Not only were they wheelchair fakers, they weren't even good at it. The little twits were RACING the things, which was proving a hazard to other guests. We ended up letting security know, but they'd been following these kids for some time already...

[GMC]

when i get a wheelchair, i make sure that I work at getting to the SAP entrance, i don't trust anyone to push me, so by the time i'm done wheeling myself around, i might as well have waited in line, and even if it takes me less time, my hands really really hurt. it's weird seeing the park from a wheelchair's point of veiw, everyone is taller than you, it's almost scary.(keep in mind i'm about 6' so having to look up to talk to people is ver strange for me.)

[abc]

I have alway thought what it would be like to explore the parks in an electric wheelchair, not to get into SAP lines, but just to see what the park looks like when you haven't been standing up the entire shift and you are relaxed.

[GMC]

the ECV's are way too slow and clunky for my liking. i found it easier to get around in a regular chair under my own power, it also felt like my arms were getting an awesome workout.

[Zazu]

Thanks to my injury, I had the opportunity to visit the MK in a wheelchair, both by myself and with others.

It was a most revealing experience. First, because I learned just how stinkin' many *hills* that place has. Even the Utilidors were unmanageable, and only the help of volunteer CMs downstairs and guests upstairs allowed me even to get to the turnstiles.

Second lesson was that you become invisible when you're that short. I expected this one, as my 80-year-old father has recently had to buy an ECV, and it wasn't until he put up a small fiberglass flagpole with a flag at (standing) eye leve that people recognized his existance.

The third, and truely delightful lesson came from viewing the park from a kid's eye level. Imagineering talks a lot about "seeing the park with the eyes of a child," but this chance to view it from the *height* of a child showed me that they had really paid some serious attention to this "angle" of Park design. A good number of things looked *better* from half my normal height.

Finally, I learned that I'm *really* glad I don't have to! It's a major pain in the butt, arms, feet, elbows, and any other body part the guests might smack into. Not to mention the looks one gets when one does manage to stand up, even briefly. I'd hate to think how I'd have been treated if I didn't have a giant boot on one foot and hop from place to place.

In sort, I recommend that you *do* go visit your park in a wheelchair, powered or not. It'll give you a whole new view of the place, and of the folks who aren't faking it.

[dannydp]

Thanks to my injury, I had the opportunity to visit the MK in a wheelchair, both by myself and with others.

It was a most revealing experience. First, because I learned just how stinkin' many *hills* that place has. Even the Utilidors were unmanageable, and only the help of volunteer CMs downstairs and guests upstairs allowed me even to get to the turnstiles.

Second lesson was that you become invisible when you're that short. I expected this one, as my 80-year-old father has recently had to buy an ECV, and it wasn't until he put up a small fiberglass flagpole with a flag at (standing) eye leve that people recognized his existance.

The third, and truely delightful lesson came from viewing the park from a kid's eye level. Imagineering talks a lot about "seeing the park with the eyes of a child," but this chance to view it from the *height* of a child showed me that they had really paid some serious attention to this "angle" of Park design. A good number of things looked *better* from half my normal height.

Finally, I learned that I'm *really* glad I don't have to! It's a major pain in the butt, arms, feet, elbows, and any other body part the guests might smack into. Not to mention the looks one gets when one does manage to stand up, even briefly. I'd hate to think how I'd have been treated if I didn't have a giant boot on one foot and hop from place to place.

In sort, I recommend that you *do* go visit your park in a wheelchair, powered or not. It'll give you a whole new view of the place, and of the folks who aren't faking it.
I've been in a wheel chair for an extended period before (I still need one if I screw things up). I was in a large car accident that resulted in the replacement of a knee and other major surgery. After some time I was able to stand up and do a very awkward walk for *short* periods of time, but still needed my wheelchair if I went somewhere. I'd often stand up to get somewhere that the wheelchair would not be able to take me. I had people look at me weird, whisper to eachother, and even say things directly to me when I would stand up (Not that they don't do that when you're sitting down too). After being yelled at by someone for 'faking it' I invested in some tear away pants and would use those. Whenever someone was being rude I was just happen to have to get at one of the areas they cut into me. (Itch, adjustment, etc) and would expose the very disgusting mess to people. :)

Believe me. No one fakes being in a wheel chair outside of disney. It's not fun

[Stduck]

At the Mansion we can now load wheelchairs via "Creep Mode" and its actually part of the PA. So to test the new hires the lead volunteered myself and the other Cast member (2 PAs going on both new hires at load) to go get one of our stand by chairs and act like wheel chair guests. I pushed and was pushed. It was awkward being down there (not to mention all the strange looks we got from guests (we were in full costume)). But its tough in a wheel chair. I've decided that if I need to be in a wheel chair for a short period of time I'll skip the Disneyland trip.

[Zazu]

I've decided that if I need to be in a wheel chair for a short period of time I'll skip the Disneyland trip.
Don't do that! Use the opportunity to rent an ECV and exact your revenge on all the stroller nazis!

[Stduck]

I've decided that if I need to be in a wheel chair for a short period of time I'll skip the Disneyland trip.
Don't do that! Use the opportunity to rent an ECV and exact your revenge on all the stroller nazis!
Oh I get my revenge when I move their strollers and they get made at me. (Though running them over with pole carts is a close second)

[1team1dream]

Part of my disability is the inability to walk far distances, therefore when I come in the park I do get a wheel chair. I'm sure I receive plenty of looks when I stand up to either get my wallet or walk onto a ride. Believe me, I would much rather trade places with a normal person any day. I use to love to walk. I never make any assumptions and always ask, not demand, to find out if there is a handicap accessible line or not. It saddens me that there are people out there that do fake it and ruin things for those of us who do need to be in chairs and receive attitudes from both guests and some cast members. :mad:

[SpamPutney]

About 3 years ago I visited WDW, a month after having surgery on my knee. I was basically healed, but still experienced tremendous pain after walking for extended periods of time. Our first day at WDW, I rented a wheelchair, and received so many dirty looks that I refused to rent one for the rest of the trip. The only exception was at Epcot, where I used one for half a day to get through the World Showcase. As a result, I wasn't able to be as mobile as I had hoped to be, and I had to limit my enjoyment of the parks.

I was in my early 20s, and looked perfectly fit. Just because you see me standing and walking short distances doesn't mean I don't have a disability, temporary or otherwise.

[Stduck]

Yes!!! We love people like you. You know you have limited mobility even though you look fit. But you are the people that come up the front at mansion in a wheelchair and when we go through our thing about the possibilty of walking you guys all stand up and walk in.

Its the people who don't need one that rent one that is what bothers me.

[BirdMom]

Its the people who don't need one that rent one that is what bothers me.

I hate those people too. It seems that these reasonably heathy people think that they are too important to spend an hour in a long line. How about not coming when it's busy. There's a thought...

Yeah - I agree with it not being obvious when someone has limited mobility. I enjoyed being pushed around in a wheelie at the mall with my broken foot, but we never did make it to the park. It would have been too much hassle with no place to stow the crutches, although the cast was obvious for all to see - all the way up to my knee.

I was in just as much, if not more pain after a car wreck the same year I quit. Although my right hand/wrist was in a hard cast, my hip, back and leg injuries weren't so obvious. I could only walk about 20 to 50 feet at a time before the pain became so excrutiating that I had to sit down. Yet I looked to be mid-20's, with scuffed up shoes like everyone else, and perfectly healthy. I wasn't. I was in pain for months, to the point where I'd forgotten what it felt like to be normal, and I was in no mood to go to the park. Several months after my accident, I was in one of my park friend's weddings. She had just had knee surgery about 6 weeks beforehand, and her fiance's mother insisted on having the wedding at Holy Family Cathedral in Orange. When you don't feel so hot, it seems like the world's longest aisle, but we made it - gimpy and gimpier. We both could have used wheelies that day.

[lady ulrike]

What really get me with the fakers is when they're obvious about it and probably don't even think about it. When they do something like switch who gets in the wheelchair after they get off the ride or my absolute favorite when someone, usually a teenager, is limping to get on the ride and then gets off and either forgets to limp or limps with the other foot.

[GMC]

i didn't even bother faking it, but i was wheeling myself around, not somebody else pushing me, so i felt like i desvered the whole three rides i had the energy to sneak up the exit for, then i was just too tired and left.

[SoarWhoreCoCo]

Let's not forget the HEALING Powers of attractions...ever have a show exit and someone not take te wheelchair with them, and not come back for it!

IT'S A MIRACLE, WE HEALED ANOTHER! :D:

[Seussgirl]

I working at Fish and was at the controls when this woman walks over behind in the middle of a cycle and tells me her and her child get to ride next because she has a sprained ankle. Well, I was about to turn her down and tell her no and make her stand in line with the rest of the guests, but when I did she waved a GAP Express in my face. I was so in shock that she actually got one for that, but let her in the next cycle since it hadn't been grouped yet, and there was noone in the express line. This woman had no trouble walking and climbed in the fish with no trouble. Later that day, I was working at the Caroseussel when she came back around and got on and climbed right on one of the animals with no problem. Jeez, I would have loved to have a word with the guest service person that issued that GAP.

[Parkbench]

I was in my early 20s, and looked perfectly fit. Just because you see me standing and walking short distances doesn't mean I don't have a disability, temporary or otherwise.

Yeah... I had a similar problem, but I was a teenager. Thankfully I was with my parents, not friends so it looked a little more like something actually had happened... I had broken 3 of my toes, so it was extremely painful for me to walk around, not to mention that my foot swelled like mad when I would stand for long periods of time. I attempted Jungle Cruise waiting in normal lines and walking through, I had to skip the next two rides while my family went on them to get the pain down before I decided I should probably use the wheel chair...

I hate when people fake it and make people like me who have had to use it but look healthy seem to be faking also...

[TalkingHands]

I have alway thought what it would be like to explore the parks in an electric wheelchair, not to get into SAP lines, but just to see what the park looks like when you haven't been standing up the entire shift and you are relaxed.
As one who uses an electric wheelchair (not ECV) believe me when I say it is not all it is cracked up to be. I see far to many butts close up. Viewing "Wishes" is near impossible. Best view I've had of "Wishes" was from my friends back porch. Views in the park have been terrible.

[TrishaBelle]

As one who uses an electric wheelchair (not ECV) believe me when I say it is not all it is cracked up to be. I see far to many butts close up. Viewing "Wishes" is near impossible. Best view I've had of "Wishes" was from my friends back porch. Views in the park have been terrible.

I agree Lisbet! When I was pregnant with my first kid, I had a bunch of pregnancy related problems: hypertension, gestational diabetes, gall stones...my OB gave me written orders to get an ECV for the duration and a couple months afterward...I saw waaaaaaaay Too many butts at eye level...I can now tell anyone who wants to know how many stitches are in the Wrangler trademark "W" on their butt pockets of men's jeans...

[darph nader]

What really get me with the fakers is when they're obvious about it and probably don't even think about it. When they do something like switch who gets in the wheelchair after they get off the ride or my absolute favorite when someone, usually a teenager, is limping to get on the ride and then gets off and either forgets to limp or limps with the other foot.
Years ago,can't remember which visit, there were three or four teens in TL riding a wheelchair.Not all at once (sorry).The first one would slam into trashcans ,jump out, his buddy would slam into the chairs and tables, switch places again and start all over. I thought to myself ,friggin jerks ,your parents must be proud. :badmood:

[pickelsrule]

Hello All,
I have never be to the parks, and I have been very leary of going, because I don't know if there is much that I can do there! Can you bring you own wheelchair or do you have to get in a different one when you get there? is there much someone in a wheelchair can do? Or would I just be wasting my time? :)

[SoarWhoreCoCo]

Hello All,

I have never be to the parks, and I have been very leary of going, because I don't know if there is much that I can do there! Can you bring you own wheelchair or do you have to get in a different one when you get there? is there much someone in a wheelchair can do? Or would I just be wasting my time? :)Are you able to take a few steps or not?

If so you can do practically everything, even if you can't many attractions you can experience right from your chair. If you have a ECV you may be required to transfer into a wheelchair to get to or into an attraction. Many of the True Electric Wheelchairs (Hoverrounds Style) you may not need to transfer.

I would suggest going to the OFFICIAL Disney Theme Park (Or any Offical theme park site for that matter) and Visit the section for Guest with Disabilities Pages or Contact Guest Relations and ask for guidebooks for Guest with Disabilities to be mailed to you so you can see what you can and may not want to experience while you are a Guest. I know Busch Gardens, Sea World, Disney, Cedar Fair (Cedar Point and KBF) Companies have these resources available.

I would never say that it is a waste of time to visit, but better know before you go so you don't waste time in line for something you may not want to do.

Hope this helps!
:tink:

[hobie16]

Hello All,
I have never be to the parks, and I have been very leary of going, because I don't know if there is much that I can do there! Can you bring you own wheelchair or do you have to get in a different one when you get there? is there much someone in a wheelchair can do? Or would I just be wasting my time? :)My son uses a wheelchair or crutches. He has a GREAT time at Disneyland. Give it a shot. There's plenty of things to do even if you can't go on all the rides.

[fairygmomalley81]

Now the only time that i "faked" being in a wheel chair was about 5 or 6 years ago, when i was about 20. About 3 years prior I had broken my ankle and had to have surgery on it. Every so often if I walk for too long, or if I walk on it the wrong way it swells up and aches really badly. Well this one trip, we had been running around all day, as we were heading over on the boat to one place to another my Ankle popped out of place. It wasn't enough to warrent wanting to go home or stop. It was just bothersome. So when we were doing the E-ride ticket event at MK, there were bunches of Wheelchairs floating around the park. My cousins picked one out in every land when I felt I needed a break. I didn't use it to get into any of the lines, I just used it to go from adventureland to fronteirland, or fantasyland to tomorrowland. It actually worked out well, and my foot was better in the morning. I think if I didn't do that, I probably would have needed the wheelchair all day the next day.

[Zazu]

I have never be to the parks, and I have been very leary of going, because I don't know if there is much that I can do there! Can you bring you own wheelchair or do you have to get in a different one when you get there? is there much someone in a wheelchair can do? Or would I just be wasting my time? :)I think you'll find you can do most of the activities at WDW, and if you can transfer a few steps to an attraction vehicle, you can do just about everything.

Know that there are lots of hills, so if you don't have a powered chair you're going to get a workout for your arms. The average guest travels about 8 miles/day, so you may find a power chair an advantage.

There's lots of information out there to help you learn what you're getting into. Deb Wills'
AllEarsNet (http://allearsnet.com) has several pages on the topic (which I find easier to access than Disney's site). There's also a guidebook, "PassPorter's Walt Disney World for your Special Needs" (http://passporter.com/wdw/specialneeds/Default.htm), that covers everything from WDW by wheelchair to food allergies to whatever ails you.

[Disclaimer: I edit the PassPorter guidebook series.]

Life is never as easy on wheels, but WDW is about the best place I've seen for accomodations. Come on down!

[Notatourist]

Zaz-

According to wheeled folks I have met, Universal's not so bad too....

[Zazu]

According to wheeled folks I have met, Universal's not so bad too....No slight intended. I've just never been there in a wheelchair. Truth is, I've only visited USF once, and that was nearly a decade ago.

Anybody want to act as my personal tour guide once it gets cool again?

[SpaceCoyote]

We had some wheelchair fakers about a year ago. A group of 8 teenagers, one in a wheel chair, all going through Gate A over and over and over again. How did they get caught? Each time they went on the ride, they had a different person from their group in the wheelchair. After the third time, our manager booted them out.

[Elephante!]

I love it when I'm at Stroller Parking for Safaris, and the guests try to make me park their wheelchairs there. The truck's over a hundred yards away and they insist I park their wheelie.
Me; you take that down to the dock, it's on up ahead

Them: Oh no, you can park it, we'll walk from here
I want to ask why do you need it if can walk?

[felinefan]

At Knott's the only wheelchair accessible ride is the Calico Railroad, but I've had guests who come just to ride that--over and over! The wheelchair lift in the Stock Car/Cattle Car has a weight limit of about 350 lbs., if I remember right. I've had a couple of times when there was so much junk hanging off the back and handles of a wheelchair, we had to ask the guest to remove the stuff because the lift wouldn't operate. And of course there is a size limit--they usually can't get the Hoverround/ Lil Rascals on, too wide/deep for the lift. And it's amazing how much weight those batteries on the electrics weigh. So if you're in a chair and you go to Knott's, (you poor sap!) if possible ride the train in a regular chair; those always fit. I don't recall if we had any real problems with fakers; maybe you had to prove you needed a chair in order to rent one. Make sure those who really need them get them.

[AngelEyes]

Part of my disability is the inability to walk far distances, therefore when I come in the park I do get a wheel chair. I'm sure I receive plenty of looks when I stand up to either get my wallet or walk onto a ride. Believe me, I would much rather trade places with a normal person any day. I use to love to walk. I never make any assumptions and always ask, not demand, to find out if there is a handicap accessible line or not. It saddens me that there are people out there that do fake it and ruin things for those of us who do need to be in chairs and receive attitudes from both guests and some cast members. :mad:

My mom is kind of in the same boat. She has emphysema and has trouble walking long distances from time to time, usually depending on the weather. She has a handicapped pass that she will use when parking only if she needs it. There has been a few times when she's gotten dirty looks from people thinking she's faking because aside from having breathing problems she is healthy and nothing appears to be wrong with her. I admit, before this started happening to her, I was one of those people that would give dirty looks. Now I don't, because you never know.

[Disgruntled Ride Operator]

It’s just like how the able people park in the designated Disabled parking space and walk just fine.

Theme parks are really human zoos, from my own experiences and the tales I have read on this web site. Damn, I never knew that working in theme park would really color the way I perceive the human race!

[mechurchlady]

I can walk fine but as the day goes along my joints hurt so bad, extreme pain and then crankyness. right now I have scoliosis, damage from stuff and arthritis. Mid day I am fine but mornings and end of day you cannot get me to move.

It is sad there are fakers out there who then make it harder for those of use who are truly disabled.

[PirateGirl]

My disability makes me easily dehydrated and easily tired if exercising. (Thank Goodness I was allowed to skip P.E. in school.) If I get overheated, I end up having to look for a toilet or a trash can to vomit in. So to help with this problem, I sometimes rent a wheelchair when I know I'm going to a place outdoors and am going to be there for a long while, such as a park. I can walk fine, it's just that I don't want to get too hot and end up ruining my shirt with what I ate for breakfast. This doesn't qualify me as a stupid guest does it? Oh god, I hope not.

[drcorey]

My disability makes me easily dehydrated and easily tired if exercising. (Thank Goodness I was allowed to skip P.E. in school.) If I get overheated, I end up having to look for a toilet or a trash can to vomit in. So to help with this problem, I sometimes rent a wheelchair when I know I'm going to a place outdoors and am going to be there for a long while, such as a park. I can walk fine, it's just that I don't want to get too hot and end up ruining my shirt with what I ate for breakfast. This doesn't qualify me as a stupid guest does it? Oh god, I hope not.

no, not if you need one, thats what they are for.
also, see a doctor, sounds like the onset of diabetes.

[PirateGirl]

It's not diabetes. It's something else. Malfunctioning intestines and bowels to be more precise. My doctors already know about this. By the way, did I tell you I'm new?

[SmartGuest]

It’s just like how the able people park in the designated Disabled parking space and walk just fine.You don't necessarily have to have difficulty walking to warrant a handicapped parking pass. As the poster above mentioned, those with emphysema often have them, as do those with severe asthma or heart problems. There are may "invisible" disabilities. The true "fakers" are despicable, but we all should make sure we're not too quick to judge who is and is not truly disabled.

[dizneeluvr]

my 13 year old gets a wheelchair cause she's to big for a stroller. she also as a congenital heart defect which causes her to tire easily.. she is able to walk short distances and transfer on rides. there have been times when we were willing to go the route of other guests, and the CM's would guide us to the wheelchair line, even after we said it's okay to walk. as far as anyone can see she looks fine, and we do get looks, but i look right back, daring them to say something to me, i wish we didn't have to use the chair. but it's much easier for her. as far as the fakers are concerned they may end up actually needing a wheel chair someday.

[leftcoaster]

as far as the fakers are concerned they may end up actually needing a wheel chair someday.

The 13th circle of hell. I think we've used 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th.

[hulkcoaster]

The joy of having a wheelchair accessible line.

Guest: I have a wheelchair pass do I enter here?
Me: We don't accept that GAP because our line is wheelchair acceable.
Guest: But I can't stand in line, I have to go to the front.
Me: You can sit in the chair while waiting in line.
Guest: Well...... (wheels away with their party of 20 they were trying to bring into Gate A)

[KidAtHeart]

While no one in my family has a disability, we did require the use of a wheelchair on our one family trip to the parks. My sister has extremely flat feet, and despite wearing really well broken in shoes, after our first day in the park, she had deep skin blisters (between the layers of skin). Needless to say, she couldn't walk more than short distances without excrutiating pain. Of course, she looked like a perfectly healthy 19 year old so we got our fair share of looks. As said by previous posters, thanks wheelchair fakers.

[ktulu]

While no one in my family has a disability, we did require the use of a wheelchair on our one family trip to the parks. My sister has extremely flat feet, and despite wearing really well broken in shoes, after our first day in the park, she had deep skin blisters (between the layers of skin). Needless to say, she couldn't walk more than short distances without excruciating pain. Of course, she looked like a perfectly healthy 19 year old so we got our fair share of looks. As said by previous posters, thanks wheelchair fakers.

How dare she do that! She should have hovered along off her feet like the rest of us!


The preceeding was meant to be humorous, if you didn't catch that, pull the stick out of your....hey, a flower!

[tinkybell]

Hi everyone I am new here and I hope I am not a SG. :p:

One thing I want to comment on is that sometimes you people can have a disability and it not show. I have an 8 yr old daughter who lives with Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis and some days she is great and some days she can't walk, brush her hair/teeth etc. She can start the day out perfectly normal and by then end of the day we will have to carry her.

People who abuse the wheelchairs really tick me off because it makes a CM doubt me when I say my child can't sit for too long or stand for too long. She has to stay moving, if not she will stiffen up. The one and only time we asked for GAC the CM looked at me like I had 2 heads :( . I got the feeling that she thought I was lying. Which we were not. I would gladly stand in any of the lines if I could trade my daughter having JRA and having to get shots 2 times a week, blood draws once a month, PT/OT, not to mention the immune system problems she has from the meds.

Nothing surprises me any more. A lot of people are just jerks who feel enititled to something. Pisses me off. I wish their was a way to stop this abuse.

I am sorry I made a story about this. I hate this kind of crap!! I have been a lurker for a while, I felt like it was time for me to come out of lurkerdom for while. :p:

[ktulu]

Hi everyone I am new here and I hope I am not a SG. :p:

One thing I want to comment on is that sometimes you people can have a disability and it not show. I have an 8 yr old daughter who lives with Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis and some days she is great and some days she can't walk, brush her hair/teeth etc. She can start the day out perfectly normal and by then end of the day we will have to carry her.


I hear ya, my wife had a friend who had a heart transplant when she was 5 or so, and she was considered disabled. She could get/use a handicap placard, but she never did because she didn't feel she needed it. If she was feeling tired and used it, she would get dirty looks from people all the time.

[tinkybell]

I hear ya, my wife had a friend who had a heart transplant when she was 5 or so, and she was considered disabled. She could get/use a handicap placard, but she never did because she didn't feel she needed it. If she was feeling tired and used it, she would get dirty looks from people all the time.

That is a shame that people with real disabilites are being made to feel this way. My daughter will never remember being normal. My other kids ( I have 6) will never remember their sister when she wasn't going to Dr. appts for blood works, PT, OT, or being sick. My kids can't even get live vaccines because of the meds my daughter is on for her Arthritis. It causes her immune system not to work properly. I hate it.
:(

[mechurchlady]

i am an active person and can waddle pretty fast at timed but at the end of the day I barely can get in the car or drive home. I take hours to do shopping and I seem normal but do not ask me to knee or get up from squatting as my knees are damaged. It is hurtful when people say you are able to do more when you are not able to do more. It is the fakers that give us truly disabled the doubt and shame given to fakers.

I no longer go to church because I was tired of being told to grow up but I cannot stand up straight or keep my chin up. For me it is cumulative and by the end of the day I am so tired and hurting I rather sleep at the computer.

[mt32]

This is my first post but can't anyone get a wheelchiar or electric cart.
You don't need a note or anything do you? It's not illegal to be lazy inconsiderate yes. illegal no. I think people are lazy and getting lazier every day. Someday maybe most of the people who visit will want to ride around instead of walking.Just imagine if they allow segways someday. i don't think they could stock enough of them.
MT32

[mechurchlady]

Welcome to SGT and legally according to the ADA they cannot ask you why you need a wheelchair, ECV or the disabled services such as the GAC pass or reader type devices for persons with poor vision.

Also some guests rent wheelchairs and ECVs for another member of their group such as dad runs ahead to get a wheelchair for his uncle.

No way will everyone start using ECVs and wheelchairs. It costs a lot of money that can be best spent on food, they are slower to get around the parks than walking, take longer to get on the train for example, have to be parked which is time and MONEY. If I was healthy I rather run up the steps and hop the train to a station and get of and waddle over to a ride. I rather take the trolley to the other side of Main Street or race walk there and be on rides in a minute or two.

Money is the biggest factor. Disboards has experts on disabled rights, the parks, and disabilities in general.

[Princess Susi]

I look pretty able bodied myself, but have a really bad back. I look like I can walk, run, jump, whatever, but I can't. I cannot walk more than a couple hours at a time and am on heavy, heavy pain meds. I would need a wheelchair by the end of the day, if we did not take rest breaks every couple hours. It puts a crimp in the way we go through the Parks, but, I would rather go and do two hour stints and rest a couple hours than not go at all. My husband is what they call legally disabled, he gets the federal check every month. You might never know he is disabled. The only way to tell is to listen to him talk, sometimes he speaks very slowly. And he has a barely noticable limp. He had a horrendous motorcycle accident 20 yrs ago which caused his brain to knock around in his head, called a contra coup. He lived in a hospital for 2 and a half yrs and died 4 times, has had over 65 surgeries. He had to relearn EVERYTHING and the doctors predicted he would NOT make it! He showed them! He looks so able bodied now that you would never tell he had a brain injury, and he gets around better than most people who are not even disabled. This is a man who refuses pain meds, but has pain 24/7. He is grateful to be alive and feel every pain, because it tells him he IS alive! The doctors say it is truly a miracle he is alive. We have the Disabled placard and you should see the looks we get when we park in those spots.
It IS very difficult to *See* all disabilities.
I know there are jags who are getting the chairs just so they can get preferred entre to certain attractions and it galls me they get away with it. What is worse is that they are taking a neccessary medical device away from someone who actually needs it to enjoy the Park. Anyone who would do that has no conscience.
There is a really long thread on another board about the Segway issue. They will NEVER be allowed in the Parks for the disabled, because they are not licensed as a medical device, anyone can get one and you could not show favoritism in the Parks as to who gets to use them. If the Segway maker EVER changes the licensing on the Segway to be a PRIMARY disabled device, then ONLY disabled will be able to use them. You would have to have a doctors orders to get one! AND, the Segway company would lose a shitload of money. So it ain't. gonna. happen. I would never want to be run over by one of those things. There are already enough things on wheels in the Park with strollers, chairs, ECVs and ODV carts (these folks are have amazing radar and know how to avoid the peeps, it's the SGs that run into them!)
There is really no way to know who is really in need of a chair at the Parks. It is frustrating to know that there are those using them who do NOT need them. God help them should they ever be the position to REALLY need one. It takes a real LOT of pain or disability to NEED a chair. Most of us would give our right____,
(ARM, people, get your mind out of the gutter!) to NEVER have to use one of those things. I know I wish I could do the things I used to. I cry at night about it because I HAVE to ask for help now to do things and because it HURTS so bad. I was the kind of person who used to work 12 hour days and then go out and party for hours at night. I could lift 100 lbs easily! Really, guys, I could! :D: I can't even lift a kitchen chair now. Hell ,I can't even bend over! :eek: Stop thinking that right now! LOL! ;)
Anyway, I wish I did not have to use one of those things, but I would be grateful to have one when the pain got excruciatingly unbearable and I would be mad if there was not one available because some jag who did not need one had taken one! :mad:
end of diatribe...THIS is one of those issues I have more than a HUGE opinion about. Obviously.
soooooooze

[Princess Susi]

If I was healthy I rather run up the steps and hop the train to a station and get of and waddle over to a ride. I rather take the trolley to the other side of Main Street or race walk there and be on rides in a minute or two.

I am SO with you on this one! Man to be able to *run* would be heaven! I used to jog everyday. I can't anymore and I miss it so much! I have had my back problems for three years, and I cannot even imagine THE REST OF MY LIFE like this! I have been through the gamut of treatments and tests and my HMO just does not want to deal with it. One interesting facet of the pain? We live at altitude in the Rockies and it hurts constantly here. When we go to WDW or DL, the pain lessens. I believe the air pressure at altitude has a LOT to do with the pain. It has happened every time we go to a lower elevation. :confused: Interesting, huh? That is why our house is for sale....
Churchy, I would LOVE to see you when we come to DL in December. Maybe we can get together! :D: Even outside of the Park!
soooooooze

[mechurchlady]

I did permanent damage to my knee at DL and never went to a doctor because I have had one too many doctors say I am ok when I am not. They never diagnosed food allergies, celiac or depression so I fear that another doctor will say I can breathe, run and be happy when I cannot.

I would love to be 40 again and waddle, not run but just waddle. I want to slap them folks who think medical aides are toys. It is not funny when you are stuck standing on a chair and cannot get down. It is not funny when you have to depend on medical aides.

I would love to meet you all someday but doubt it will happen.

[Princess Susi]

I did permanent damage to my knee at DL and never went to a doctor because I have had one too many doctors say I am ok when I am not. They never diagnosed food allergies, celiac or depression so I fear that another doctor will say I can breathe, run and be happy when I cannot.

I would love to be 40 again and waddle, not run but just waddle. I want to slap them folks who think medical aides are toys. It is not funny when you are stuck standing on a chair and cannot get down. It is not funny when you have to depend on medical aides.

I would love to meet you all someday but doubt it will happen.

Totally agree with the first part of your post, doctors are not always on it. I hate that chair thing. I hate depending on others or medical contraptions for help, being such an independent cuss, myself.
But...but...I hope we can meet someday...(sniff) :(
sooooozie-Q

[Big Wallaby]

Hunh. I thought I had responded to something in this thread, but I guess I hadn't. Can't remember what it was, so I guess it wasn't important.

You guys would have the reaction I want to have when I see a family standing in a loadzone like the other night, grandma up on her feet leaning against the post, and her grandson sitting in her scooter while they wait for the bus. You just want to go into a fit of rage and explode all over them for doing that, proving that neither must need the chair.

The other one that really upset me was on Tuesday, going through the Soarin' queue with my wife. We were behind this kid who had to be ten at the oldest, he was heavy enough that he wasn't walking normally but fully and deliberately transferring his weight from one leg to the other with each and every step. I tried that once, and at the end of ten minutes my legs were really tired. But this kid was in line leaning on everything he could after fifteen minutes, switching from Mom to the wall to Grandma to finally sitting down, complaining that he just couldn't stand any longer. I finally had to just turn around, which sorta weirded out the people behind me, but I couldn't watch it, because I knew I was looking at a kid that in a couple years would be heavier than me (and while I have lost almost 60 lbs, I am still one big marsupial), and it was going to be mom's fault. All at once, I was feeling sorry for the kid, angry at the mom, and wanted to take the kid outside, grab a Segway and chase him around for a while because I knew I would tire out before it would do him any good. None of that happened, and I wouldn't want to have to explain it anyway, but at ten years old, you shouldn't be trying to find stuff (read: anything you possibly can) to lean on after just a few minutes.

I joke about my weight, because I know and acknowledge that I did it to myself (that's not to say that everyone else did too... most, but not all. I know there are medical conditions including depression that make you gain weight like crazy... I know that was one of my factors... when you're depressed, food somehow becomes a wonderful escape). If I could go back knowing what I know now, I would go back to the time when it was easy to run for miles and still have energy, and today I would be about 130 lbs lighter than I am now... my final goal for my current weight loss. For now, I am doing it by going out when I get a chance, just going into the parks and walking, walking, walking, walking and occasionally going on an attraction to cool down for a minute. I like the parks because they give me a place to go, they capture my interest as I walk, and I don't think about the walking until I get into my car after a full day and realize just how much my feet hurt. I need that diversion, and then I get great exercise.

Sailing is the other thing that brings me home exhausted at the end of the day. One of these days, maybe Wednesday, I'm going over to the Grand Floridian to check out and conquer the sailboat/catamaran that once conquered me. Of course, this time I am going to make sure and go when there's enough wind... so I don't have to tow the boat back to shore...

As far as depression, I have come to the conclusion that much of it was from the weather. In Oregon, Washington and other places that have a constant cloud cover, there is actually a named condition, Seasonal Affective Disorder, and I am convinced I had it. So glad I found a solution. I don't see myself ever moving back to somplace that is perpetually overcast.

[hobie16]

Sailing is the other thing that brings me home exhausted at the end of the day. One of these days, maybe Wednesday, I'm going over to the Grand Floridian to check out and conquer the sailboat/catamaran that once conquered me. Of course, this time I am going to make sure and go when there's enough wind... so I don't have to tow the boat back to shore...
Dude!! If you're into cats, check out catsailor.com. There's a huge cat community in Florida if you're looking for other people to sail with. Crew positions are always available too. If you ever find yourself in Hawaii I'll take you out on my Hobie 20.

[dizneeluvr]

just returned from a trip to WDW and Universal. we get a wheelchair for my daughter. we tried for one day a universal w/o the chair and due to the heat, she got clammy sweating, flushed and was cold. she threw up. we then made sure she is always in the chair. when we were in WDW one day and got the chair, we rec'd a comment from the CM with a not so nice tone, whats the matter? are your little legs tired? and i just said, no, she has a heart condition.
now i know there are many fakers, but please there are also many invisible disabilities, so please keep the comments to yourself, unless you know for 100% sure that the person is faking.

[SRT_GB]

just returned from a trip to WDW and Universal. we get a wheelchair for my daughter. we tried for one day a universal w/o the chair and due to the heat, she got clammy sweating, flushed and was cold. she threw up. we then made sure she is always in the chair. when we were in WDW one day and got the chair, we rec'd a comment from the CM with a not so nice tone, whats the matter? are your little legs tired? and i just said, no, she has a heart condition.
now i know there are many fakers, but please there are also many invisible disabilities, so please keep the comments to yourself, unless you know for 100% sure that the person is faking.At DLR Strollers, even if we were 100% positive the person did not need a wheelchair, we were 100% not allowed to accuse them or do what the CM in your case did. I think this CM should be reprimanded. If you can remember when/where this happened and the CM's name/physical description, you can and should send a written complaint.

[Big Wallaby]

Geez. You know, last night, I met a kid who looked completely normal but was in a wheel chair at the Rainforest Cafe, come to find out his name was Dustin. He is here with MaW, and just for coming out of the blue and giving him some attention, you could tell it made his whole family's night.

Can you imagine if I had said something like that? There would have been, starting at that moment, an extra warm corner of Hell waiting for me when my time comes.

I pray that person you mentioned never, ever encounters a MaW family without their pins, like Dustin and his family had chonsen last night.

[Cheshire Figment]

Whenever I have someone come through my gate with a wheelchair, no matter the age, I will tell them, in a semi-serious tone: "Racing is not permitted here". I enjoy saying this to people who appear older than me (and I'm 67). Usually they will appear shocked. Often they will tell me they are being pushed, and have no say in the matter. I will then deadpan to them: "You are responsible for your chauffer's actions".

At this point, usually the person in the chair and their whole party will realize I have been kidding around and will laugh.

Of course, for people with an ECV I will tell them: "No drag racing allowed".

(For the record, I use an ECV myself when I am in the parks.)

[hobie16]

Whenever I have someone come through my gate with a wheelchair, no matter the age, I will tell them, in a semi-serious tone: "Racing is not permitted here". I enjoy saying this to people who appear older than me (and I'm 67). Usually they will appear shocked. Often they will tell me they are being pushed, and have no say in the matter. I will then deadpan to them: "You are responsible for your chauffer's actions".Very good!!!

[EeyoresButterfly]

The ones I dislike are the parents who rent them to use as strollers so they can get in the expedited entrances at the older attractions. I do try hard not to judge though, as one time I had to use a wheelchair at DAK.

I had been pushing a glasses cart through Fantasyland when a guy ran over my heel in an ECV, damaging my tendon. He was very nice, and it was not his fault. I am not even five feet tall and there was no way he could have seen me around the cart or crowd. I was told not to stay on my ankle for more than 10 minutes out of every hour (and yet did not get crutches, go figure.) I went to DAK to play in the park and rented a wheelchair. I was by myself, and let me tell you, it was hard. Everybody should do it just once to see what the guests go through. Many of the ride lines were on hills, which was difficult because I was by myself. I also had problems with the hills on the property in general. Being short, it was hard to reach the wheels around the armrest. I actually had other guests offering to help me on the hills because they could see I was having a hard time.

I was also incredibly self conscious. I felt very put on the spot and was worried CMs would think I was faking. I had jeans on so you couldn't see the brace on my ankle. Last year when my parents came we had a wheelchair for my mom because she had arthritis in her knee and doesn't do well with heat. You would not know by looking at her, and it wasn't that she couldn't walk, but by the end of the day it was too painful. I went to get the GAC from GS and they actually gave us the alternate entrance pass for which we were grateful (didn't ask for it, figured we would get the wheelchair enrance pass). Those experiences have taught me to re-evaluate how I look at people who rent wheelchairs.

[Randy B]

That's the problem. WDW requires LOTS of walking. Many conditions make walking difficult/painful/impossible but are completely invisible to the casual viewer. This can include everything from sprained ankles to massive blisters, and all the way up to various medical problems that make standing difficult or impossible. But the rentals of the mobility assistance devices (of all sorts) are rented to anyone who is willing to pay. There is no requirement for demonstrating "need". And there will always be those who see a way to cheat the system (or think that something will give them an advantage over the rest of us). Because of these last people cheating the system, when someone is seen who looks healthy using a mobility assist, the assumption first tends towards "cheater". I know that this is wrong and probably the VAST majority of people using assistance truly need it. But knowing this and convincing my irrational emotional side of that (which IS where these snap assumptions originate) does not work well.

If there was some way to be assured that everyone who is using assistance truly needs it, the gut reaction would have a harder time of it, and everyone using assistance would be accorded the respect they deserve. I don't know how to make this work as there would then be some form of "decision" and that opens the door to descrimination complaints. So there is no good fix. IMHO

Randy

[EeyoresButterfly]

Sometimes though it is easy to tell who is and isn't faking. Most people who genuinely need it have no problem waiting in the regular line if it allows wheelchairs through it. It's when they throw a stink that I get suspicious.

I had one great example. I was greeting outside Philhar one night close to closing time. A man came up to me with his wife in a rental wheelchair and he had a GAC that said "Use regular wheelchair entrance." I politely informed him that the regular entrance was the wheelchair entrance for this ride. He became very irate and said that they had not had to wait in the normal line all day. I explained to him that some rides lines are not wide enough for wheelchairs and have a separate entrance, but we made the line for this ride wide enough for all guests to enjoy. At this point, the wait said 15, and if you've been to Philhar, you know that pretty much means you're getting into the next show. I told him all of this, but he still refused to use the normal entrance. Now, sometimes I will let it slide, if it's not busy or there is an extenuating circumstance (such as somebody who has their own and didn't know they needed a GAC). This time, I did not. He was being a complete jerk and I knew if I backed down he would pull this stunt at other rides, when one person backs down they think it gives them leeway to do what they want and creates problems for everybody later on.

He stood out there with his wife, in the rain, for 20 minutes watching me! He came back up and asked again and I again politely told him no and showed him where GS highlighted the part that says the pass does not mean you can bypass the wait time. He asked to speak to my supervisor, so I called my captain and he backed me up, which was great! By this time they could have ridden the ride three times over! We sent them to guest relations and he called down ahead of time to tell them the situation and they also backed us up. In this case, it seemed like the woman really needed it, but that does not give you an excuse for preferential treatment. It irritates me when people try to pull these stunts because its as stressful for us as it is for them, and it keeps us from being able to provide a good experience ofr the other guests who are following the rules.

[Princess Susi]

Hunh. I thought I had responded to something in this thread, but I guess I hadn't. Can't remember what it was, so I guess it wasn't important.

You guys would have the reaction I want to have when I see a family standing in a loadzone like the other night, grandma up on her feet leaning against the post, and her grandson sitting in her scooter while they wait for the bus. You just want to go into a fit of rage and explode all over them for doing that, proving that neither must need the chair.

I joke about my weight, because I know and acknowledge that I did it to myself (that's not to say that everyone else did too... most, but not all. I know there are medical conditions including depression that make you gain weight like crazy... I know that was one of my factors... when you're depressed, food somehow becomes a wonderful escape). If I could go back knowing what I know now, I would go back to the time when it was easy to run for miles and still have energy, and today I would be about 130 lbs lighter than I am now... my final goal for my current weight loss. For now, I am doing it by going out when I get a chance, just going into the parks and walking, walking, walking, walking and occasionally going on an attraction to cool down for a minute. I like the parks because they give me a place to go, they capture my interest as I walk, and I don't think about the walking until I get into my car after a full day and realize just how much my feet hurt. I need that diversion, and then I get great exercise.Yep, I know exactly what you mean. I have clinical depression and it helped me put on 30 lbs. Meds ahve helped with the depression, now I have to help with the 30 lbs... when my back stops hurtuing, though the past couple days have been great. I have been able to walk for several hours without pain. Maybe the shot is kicking in late!

just returned from a trip to WDW and Universal. we get a wheelchair for my daughter. we tried for one day a universal w/o the chair and due to the heat, she got clammy sweating, flushed and was cold. she threw up. we then made sure she is always in the chair. when we were in WDW one day and got the chair, we rec'd a comment from the CM with a not so nice tone, whats the matter? are your little legs tired? and i just said, no, she has a heart condition.That was uncalled for and cruel. The CM should have been reported.

Whenever I have someone come through my gate with a wheelchair, no matter the age, I will tell them, in a semi-serious tone: "Racing is not permitted here." I enjoy saying this to people who appear older than me (and I'm 67). Usually they will appear shocked. Often they will tell me they are being pushed, and have no say in the matter. I will then deadpan to them: "You are responsible for your chauffer's actions."

At this point, usually the person in the chair and their whole party will realize I have been kidding around and will laugh.

Of course, for people with an ECV I will tell them: "No drag racing allowed."
(For the record, I use an ECV myself when I am in the parks.)I love this! What fun you must be! That would make me smile and laugh and start my day in the Park on a high note!!!!!

Sometimes though it is easy to tell who is and isn't faking. Most people who genuinely need it have no problem waiting in the regular line if it allows wheelchairs through it. It's when they throw a stink that I get suspicious.Good for you and all the people who backed you up. This is how we stop the SGs.

It is irritating that people use the chair to get in faster. We always wait in the regular line and do so gladly. Gladly because we are able to even be at Disneyland or WDW! If it were not for these aids like chairs and scooters, some would not be able to go at all. :(

The chairs and scooters were so helpful for me last trip, and I am going to have to take it on a day to day basis this trip. I will have to see how my back and legs do. If they start to throb and get weak, I will need a chair or ECV. If not, I will walk and be so happy to be able to walk down Main Street. Heck, I might even skip the whole way down, naw, probly throw my back out! :rolleyes: LOL!

sooze:p:

[TechieSidhe]

Most of my lumbar spine has bulging and herniated disks. I hurt all the time, but 90 percent of the time it's not bad enough to keep me from working or doing anything. My doctor is amazed that I'm not on permanent bedrest or on disability, and still have a good range of motion. I taught karate 10 years go as an assistant instructor, and suffered an injury to my back that went downhill from there. That, plus 4 years of heavy school backpacks, did a number on me. What complicates things is my weight. I'm a big girl. I was doing two hours of karate classes a night, eating very healthy, and never dropped below a size 18. This also confuses doctors, as it makes it really, really hard for them to pull the "exercise and lose weight" thing. (I found out later my hormones were and still are probably farked up.)

Last year, the family and I went to Disney for three days. I made it through two days of walking, but even with the heat wraps, hot tub soaks, constant rest, and ibuprofen, my back was uncooperative. Somewhere in the back side of Animal Kingdom, my back decided it had enough. It went out, taking my ability to walk more than a few feet with it. My wonderful husband got a wheelchair from Guest Services, and we tried to make it through the last day of our vacation with him pushing me through the park.

Note, all the cast members I dealt with rocked. From the ones who got me a wheelchair, to the ones who held doors for me, they were wonderful. I never got anything but positive vibes from them. I really appreciate you and the job you do! I wished later I had gotten names so I could send a letter or something.

Whoever invented those shoes with skates built in should be shot, no wait, that's too good for them. Part of the problem with my back was that I kept getting run into by kids on skates. That, or I had to dodge them or stop short as they cut me off. When I was in the wheelchair, they'd zip right in front of me, then their parents would give me dirty looks when they hit me, or I accidentally hit them because I couldn't stop in time.

If I could have gotten out of the chair, I'd have kicked me some parental ass. As it was, my husband made sure a few of them heard about it, at least the worst offenders. Teach your frelling kids about wheelchairs. The wheelchair I got was one of the older ones, and was not the most maneuverable thing in the multiverse. The dirty looks and comments don't make them move faster either. I'm glad you're 18 and mobile. Your mobile ass can wait a few seconds.

Speaking of the dirty looks....I'd like to send a big screw you to the SGs that gave me dirty looks and comments. Yes, I'm a fat chick in a wheelchair. My disability isn't my weight. I know society has raised you and your moronic kids to believe that fat people are the scum of the earth, and to you I must look like a lazy person who didn't want to walk. I'll tell you what, take my back problems for a day and see if you can walk 5 miles of theme park. You can't. I'd think that you were only being flaming dicks because my disability is internal and your small brains can't grasp that. But I saw you treat a group of kids with Down's just as bad that day.

The fakers make it so much worse for the rest of us who actually need some help from time to time. I've learned now to get a scrip for a steroid dose pack before I go to Disney. If I start taking the 7 day dose 2 days before I go, I can actually make it 4 days with little problem. (That, and a massage at least once.. :D:)

I wish there could be some kind of doc's note required, but I know they can't do that.

[Randy B]

Whoever invented those shoes with skates built in should be shot, no wait, that's too good for them. Part of the problem with my back was that I kept getting run into by kids on skates. That, or I had to dodge them or stop short as they cut me off. When I was in the wheelchair, they'd zip right in front of me, then their parents would give me dirty looks when they hit me, or I accidentally hit them because I couldn't stop in time.


It sounds like the heelies are getting worse at WDW. I have a few ideas for WDW. A series of fake railroad or streetcar tracks crossing walkways at an angle. The "flange gap" needs to be very narrow. The wheels on heelies are thinner than the wheels on a WC. The Chair wheels would span over the gap while the heelies wheels would slide down into the gap. If the "track" is at an angle across the path the heelies would be constantly thrown off course and possibly even twist the wheel enough to snap the wheel loose from the shoe. These grooves could be themed as tracks or be "rain drainage channels" that would be there to help the SGs keep their feet dry when it rains. :D:;) In fact the latter may be better as these "channels" could be placed much closer together and be almost constant on slopes to "promote traction"

Randy

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

It sounds like the heelies are getting worse at WDW. I have a few ideas for WDW. A series of fake railroad or streetcar tracks crossing walkways at an angle. The "flange gap" needs to be very narrow. The wheels on heelies are thinner than the wheels on a WC. The Chair wheels would span over the gap while the heelies wheels would slide down into the gap. If the "track" is at an angle across the path the heelies would be constantly thrown off course and possibly even twist the wheel enough to snap the wheel loose from the shoe. These grooves could be themed as tracks or be "rain drainage channels" that would be there to help the SGs keep their feet dry when it rains. :D:;) In fact the latter may be better as these "channels" could be placed much closer together and be almost constant on slopes to "promote traction"

Randy

Great Idea!! till some SG's kid falls on his butt, then it will be sue sue sue!! Cause their little darling SG kid couldn't follow the Rules, cause he has---(fill in the blank) and cannot be made, or expected, to follow ANY rules or regulations, even if they are for safety reasons!!

(that is a great idea, kind of like a "mini" cattle grate!)

[Shorty82]

I thought heely wheels were a good bit wider than a wheelchair's. The wheels on regular inline skates are about the same size as a chair's wheels and I don't see anything having even thiner wheels. What they should do is have security confiscate the wheels from any person caught wearing heelies. Get the SG's name and tell them that they can pick up the wheels at the Guest Relations, the security office, Lost & Found, or somewhere like that at the end of the day. Make sure there is a notice on the sign out front of the park that says no heelies (if there isn't one there should be) that warns that wheels will be confiscated so the SG can't claim convincingly they didn't know.

[dancinghomer]

I thought heely wheels were a good bit wider than a wheelchair's. The wheels on regular inline skates are about the same size as a chair's wheels and I don't see anything having even thiner wheels. What they should do is have security confiscate the wheels from any person caught wearing heelies. Get the SG's name and tell them that they can pick up the wheels at the Guest Relations, the security office, Lost & Found, or somewhere like that at the end of the day. Make sure there is a notice on the sign out front of the park that says no heelies (if there isn't one there should be) that warns that wheels will be confiscated so the SG can't claim convincingly they didn't know.

Personally, I think that is too nice. I think that security should carry something that could cut the wheel in half. After that, they can give it back to the SG with a piece of paper stating the rules and some legal text proving that they broke the rules and this is the only way of teaching them a lesson. I think word might spread fast that Disney doesn't approve of the use of Heelies in the parks (I'm not sure if the policy spreads throughout the entire Disney property) using this method. All this might take is some signs posted out front, and no one reads them anyways, so its not gonna make that big of a difference when they claim they didn't know.

Of course I'm a little biased since I've been ran into by kids wearing this devil shoes everywhere.

[Randy B]

Great Idea!! till some SG's kid falls on his butt, then it will be sue sue sue!! Cause their little darling SG kid couldn't follow the Rules, cause he has---(fill in the blank) and cannot be made, or expected, to follow ANY rules or regulations, even if they are for safety reasons!!

(that is a great idea, kind of like a "mini" cattle grate!)

Well I DID say put the channels down the entire slope. That would stop them at the beginning of the "glide" before they got up speed. If the channel was only just at the bottom of the slope it would be just to let them get up a nice bit of momentum before sending the feet off at an angle, causing the wheels to snap off, the feet to twist until joints seperated, and chin (as well as other facial features) get a good intimate aquantance with the hard paved surface. But since the heelies are not allowed in the park any injury obviously didn't happen if the injury could be attributed to heelies use.

Check my train of logic. Device "A" is illegal. Since device "A" is illegal it obviously is never used illegally. Thus any personal injury attributable to use of device "A" never happened.

Actually I think that if the management stressed the rule forbidding the use of heelies in the parks and backed up enforcement (including confiscation of the wheel units from the shoes) it wouldn't take long for the problem to go away. But as with many other rules in and out of the parks, if it isn't enforced it doesn't exist.

As to the "mini cattle guard", That was my original idea (discussed here a few months ago) but I think we could reduce it to one or two "drainage channels" without severely reducing effectiveness. Or if it was even more obviously a drain with a grating over the drain channel with precisely spaced and sized slots. Think of how many people were caught by storm drains on roads when riding a bicycle. They can see it, they can avoid it, but they think they can make it, so the front wheel drops into the slot and the entire bike comes to an abrupt stop. If the drain goes all the way across a walkway and is just wide enough to prevent an easy last min hop over it, and the slots are designed to be ok for chair wheels but disasterous for heelies, this would make them less attractive. And the presence of these drains would make a good reason for the ban when a parent becomes beligerant. :D:

Randy

[Planner]

Randy Im not sure I agree with the idea that the damn heelies would ever go away even if Disney cracked down after all we are dealing with SG here and oodles of folks who have never been to Disney. Compound the problem with folks who do not do any homework before showing up and BAM SG with heelies.

My guess is your average first time family is too wrapped up in the excitement to notice signs about the rules and do not read the packets of info given out at check in until AFTER the trip.

Could the rules be stressed at resort check in, yup but I feel bad for the front desk folk then, never mind the gobs of folks who do not stay on site then show up with brats on wheels.

Don't get me wrong I think the things need to be banished from this earth but I don't forsee it anytime soon.:mad:

[Theme Park Where]

They read the items handed out at Check in AFTER the trip? I didn't think they read them at all! :D: They certainly don't learn from them!

I hate the kids (and the parents who let them) who use the heelies to get on rides they are otherwise too short to ride. I've heard parents whisper to their kids just before approaching height check "pop your wheels so you're tall enough!" Of course, those wheels aren't going to keep them from sliding under the lapbar or out of the restraint system when they're actually not tall enough to ride!

I work part time in the mall (at a Waldenbooks) and I was helping out with our holiday calendar kiosk one afternoon, giving that person a bathroom break. A woman and her very young son came walking down the mall, and the woman (mother or much older sister most likely) was chastising the son because she'd just bought him heelies and he was too afraid to pop the wheels in the mall. Sure, a crowded mall during the busy holiday rush is ALWAYS a good time to sprout wheels, especially when you're new to them. I'm always tempted to call family services when I see a parent actually encouraging that kind of disruptive and dangerous behavior.

Dad works at WL, and he talks about the kids heeling through the lobby at top speed, hitting the point where the floor materials change from wood to stone, and falling flat on their faces. So far I don't believe they've had a serious injury at that location (they have elsewhere on property) but they've had a lot of close calls.

[DisneyMom]

I had a kid come into the clinic the other day, had diarrhea for several days so the protocol is to take blood pressure laying down and standing to check for orthostatic changes...Then I see the kid is wearing Heelys. He starts to roll around after I ask him to be careful not to fall while I'm checking him(potential blood pressure drop), to Mom's credit, she told him to stop.
*Sigh* We are never going to get rid of those things!:(

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

I know where Randy B and others are coming from, but the sad fact is that at some point, there is going to be some sort of lawsuit concerning this, as the litigious society we live in will not "rest" until it has it's day in court!! (and some lawyer will need to get some publicity!)

I do find it interesting that if you go to the main web site of Heelies, you find that there is a contest, and most of the prizes are Disney related (High School Musical)

And that they have Heelies for men and women!

Maybe DW and I could get a pair, fall down at the mall, and get "compensation" so that we can go to WDW five or six times a year!!! (hehehe)

[Randy B]

Randy Im not sure I agree with the idea that the damn heelies would ever go away even if Disney cracked down after all we are dealing with SG here and oodles of folks who have never been to Disney. Compound the problem with folks who do not do any homework before showing up and BAM SG with heelies.

My guess is your average first time family is too wrapped up in the excitement to notice signs about the rules and do not read the packets of info given out at check in until AFTER the trip.

Could the rules be stressed at resort check in, yup but I feel bad for the front desk folk then, never mind the gobs of folks who do not stay on site then show up with brats on wheels.

Don't get me wrong I think the things need to be banished from this earth but I don't forsee it anytime soon.:mad:


You are probably right that they wouldn't go away, but if the first time the wheels are extended on the first day a CM or a security CM stopped them and let them and their parents know that these are not allowed in the parks and the wheels must be removed now (yes the wheels do pop out), the problem would be reduced. Sure there will be those who will go around the corner and re-offend but I still think that the majority would not. And if by stopping someone once it keeps that individual from continuing to be a hazzard for several days.

I did see some kids with heelies in Oct who just used them to keep up with parents. They glided while holding a parent's arm and so were not moving any faster or dangerous than the walking parent. I had no problem with this. But I suspect that if these people were informed of the rules they would stop using them. But the ones who race around dangerously will continue to do so in all parks, and resorts for the entire length of their stay and will probably effect each and every Park CM and many guests. It would only take one to generate many SGT sightings. So if it was possible to reduce (never eliminate) the re-offenders it could make a big difference.

JMHO

Randy

[February]

Whoever invented those shoes with skates built in should be shot, no wait, that's too good for them. Part of the problem with my back was that I kept getting run into by kids on skates. That, or I had to dodge them or stop short as they cut me off. When I was in the wheelchair, they'd zip right in front of me, then their parents would give me dirty looks when they hit me, or I accidentally hit them because I couldn't stop in time.

UGH! My chair was cut off by a kid in hellies (typo intentional) every single time we tried to go down the monorail ramp at MK last trip! We were there for 9 days so I could not BELIEVE it happened every time. It got to the point where we wondered which would happen first, DH having to yank back on the chair to try to save SG hellie kid from the impact- or his heels getting run up on by a Stroller Stormtrooper behind us when he had to protect SG hellie kid from the impact!

His ankles were shredded by the end of our trip and even my kid got hit once by a stroller because we were cut off by another stroller.

Can't people just slow DOWN a little?? You're supposed to be on vacation!!!

It's the same thing with women who come up behind me with their carts in Target and nearly run me over when I'm ambling around on my forearm crutch. Yes, I move a trifle slower but I do move. I try to smile at them and then move out of the way so they can get on with their Important Business which is so much more important than not running over the Amazonian Disabled Lady.

Sheesh!

I call them 'heel clickers'- people who think that they are just so much more important than you that they can't possibly wait for you to get your shampoo from the shelf before they get theirs! They're usually talking on a cell phone at the same time too. . .

[Ms. Matterhorn]

UGH! They're usually talking on a cell phone at the same time too. . .

OMG! This could start a whole new thread! I hate people who talk really loud on their cell phone, especially in a foreign language or use profanity!

[hobie16]

It's the same thing with women who come up behind me with their carts in Target and nearly run me over when I'm ambling around on my forearm crutch.
I enjoy standing in the cashier line at the grocery store and have some bozo nail me in the ankles with their cart. I give them two shots and on the third, back up a step forcing the push handle into their torso. The resulting "Uuuffffff" is music to my ears. :twisted:

[Big Wallaby]

kid in hellies (typo intentional)Typo... typo... I don't see any typo. I think you're the first person ever to spell that word correctly. :p:

[February]

Well you're certainly welcome to share the correct spelling with anyone that you wish Wallaby! :D:

[Zazu]

Loud cell phone talkers huh? I got a story about those....

Dining at our favorite Chinese Restaurant one evening, our entire meal was eaten to the sound of a woman on the opposite side of the restaurant telling someone about all the problems with some property, mold, termites, attitude problems, the works.

We were not amused.

So, after we finished, I went over to her table and asked, "Pardon, but I couldn't help overhearing, are you by chance a realtor?"

"Why yes, yes I am! Are you interested in buying or selling?"

"One of each," I replied, "We like the neighborhood but need a bigger house. Could I trouble you for a business card?"

"Well certainly!" she said, getting all excited at the prospect of two deals.

"Thanks," I said, looking at the card carefully, "I want to make sure I don't list with or deal with any firm whose agents discuss private issues loud enough for a whole restaurant to hear. Good luck with the mold and termites!"

To which all she replied was :dropmouth

[BRWombat]

Loud cell phone talkers huh? I got a story about those....

Dining at our favorite Chinese Restaurant one evening, our entire meal was eaten to the sound of a woman on the opposite side of the restaurant telling someone about all the problems with some property, mold, termites, attitude problems, the works.

We were not amused.

So, after we finished, I went over to her table and asked, "Pardon, but I couldn't help overhearing, are you by chance a realtor?"

"Why yes, yes I am! Are you interested in buying or selling?"

"One of each," I replied, "We like the neighborhood but need a bigger house. Could I trouble you for a business card?"

"Well certainly!" she said, getting all excited at the prospect of two deals.

"Thanks," I said, looking at the card carefully, "I want to make sure I don't list with or deal with any firm whose agents discuss private issues loud enough for a whole restaurant to hear. Good luck with the mold and termites!"

To which all she replied was :dropmouthZazu, once again --

:wombat: :bow: :bow: :bow: :zazu:

After this and the coffee/backpack incident, you have earned the right to call yourself Zazu, M.Rv. -- Master of Revenge

[Whazzup]

Priceless! Absolutely priceless!!! :D:

[Syndrome]

I enjoy standing in the cashier line at the grocery store and have some bozo nail me in the ankles with their cart. I give them two shots and on the third, back up a step forcing the push handle into their torso. The resulting "Uuuffffff" is music to my ears. :twisted:
I have done that one too, and here is a variation for the idots who feel the need to grab your friggin' seat back every time they get up in the airplane row behind you. For some reason, they also seem to be the ones who need to get up six times on 2 hour flight. I'll give 'em two freebies, then I time their next grab with hitting my recline button. The resulting effect is very gratifying.

[February]

I have done that one too, and here is a variation for the idots who feel the need to grab your friggin' seat back every time they get up in the airplane row behind you. For some reason, they also seem to be the ones who need to get up six times on 2 hour flight. I'll give 'em two freebies, then I time their next grab with hitting my recline button. The resulting effect is very gratifying.

I always get the only people on the entire plane who have to recline their seats. I kid you not they're always like 4'10.

I'm 6' in my combat boots. 5'10" barefoot. My husband now makes a point to check if anyone else around us is reclining.

It's always just the two people in front of us no matter what row we're in!

I regret to admit once or twice I have had to grab a seat back when rising from a plane seat- because my legs do weird things in the cabin pressure (jumping spasms, another neurological joy) and they feel even weaker than usual when I try to stand up in-flight. Usually we have a row of three of us, so I grab on behind my husband's chair instead of the one in front of me, best is when I make my husband and kid get up, put all the arm rests up, and then slide across and then husband helps me out of the chair and into the aisle.

I try REALLY hard no to need to get up during flights as using an airplane lavatory is hell on earth for the able bodied- when you're not working with your balance right and all it's dangerous. I've conked my head more than once.

If I've ever accidentily grabbed anyone's seat back, I apologize! I try never, ever to get up more than once a flight but try to avoid it altogether.

We were stuck on the tarmac at OIA for 2 hours on our last flight home from WDW due to lightening. Or more precisely due to the fact that our airline allowed some travelers who were late from a connecting flight to hold us up- all five of them smelled as if they had never had a shower in their lives and then they scattered them throughout the plane for good measure to be sure everyone could enjoy the ambiance.

Because their baggage needed to be loaded, we couldn't leave the gate because the handlers won't work in lightning (understandable)

They should have made funboys wait for the next flight out. . .

[hobie16]

I have done that one too, and here is a variation for the idots who feel the need to grab your friggin' seat back every time they get up in the airplane row behind you. For some reason, they also seem to be the ones who need to get up six times on 2 hour flight. I'll give 'em two freebies, then I time their next grab with hitting my recline button. The resulting effect is very gratifying.
And, for the SP in front of you that reclines their seat aaaallllllllllllllllllllll the way back, long term torture by directing the cold air vent at their head.

Muuwwaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. :twisted:

[BRWombat]

I try to solve the problem when our family travels by picking the seats myself, and having us on two rows, with me on the second row. Then, it's family in front of me.

If I can't arrange it that way -- like when we got our flight changed on our most recent trip -- it's really the person in front of me who suffers, because when my legs are in front of me, the seat cannot be reclined. There's nowhere for it to go. I have to deal with a few seconds of pressure on my knees until the person ahead of me realizes what's going on. I suspect they think the seat is broken. :twisted:

[Syndrome]

February, you might want to warn the person in front of you right from the beginning that it's hard for you to get up and that you might inadvertently pull their seat at some point in the flight. I had some poor majorly tall guy behind me once, and he apologized in advance in case he poked my seat while in flight (he had NOWHERE for his legs). His politeness paid him a big dividend...I happened to be in an exit row, and when I looked back and saw his predicament I ended up swapping seats with him so he had a nice, roomy flight.

[February]

February, you might want to warn the person in front of you right from the beginning that it's hard for you to get up and that you might inadvertently pull their seat at some point in the flight. I had some poor majorly tall guy behind me once, and he apologized in advance in case he poked my seat while in flight (he had NOWHERE for his legs). His politeness paid him a big dividend...I happened to be in an exit row, and when I looked back and saw his predicament I ended up swapping seats with him so he had a nice, roomy flight.

Believe me I try my absolute best to be as polite as I can. I board the plane early so I can get settled in and then deplane last of all so that I don't hold people up in the aisles. Usually this means any seat grabbing I do is only in empty seats. I never get up in flight unless it's an absolute necessity (unlike people around me who seem to love to grab my own seat and pull my hair in the process.)

Most people come aboard wearing earbuds these days and glare at you if you try to talk to them so I just try my best to leave them alone and make my family the only ones to suffer if I do have to move.

Only time I can't get through a flight without getting up is if it's say, the trip back from OIA to home and we've been stranded on the tarmac for 2 hours before we even take off. . .

One things for sure after reading this thread I'll never grab a seat back again. Even if it means falling into the aisle.

[Rob562]

Sounds like you guys need to get a pair of Knee Defenders.
http://www.gadgetduck.com/
(No, I'm not shilling for them, it's just something I read about on the travel blog I read.)

I rarely, if ever, recline my seat. And if I do it's just one "notch" so that the seat isn't quite so bolt-upright.

-Rob

[Shorty82]

February, you might want to warn the person in front of you right from the beginning that it's hard for you to get up and that you might inadvertently pull their seat at some point in the flight. I had some poor majorly tall guy behind me once, and he apologized in advance in case he poked my seat while in flight (he had NOWHERE for his legs). His politeness paid him a big dividend...I happened to be in an exit row, and when I looked back and saw his predicament I ended up swapping seats with him so he had a nice, roomy flight.

Are exit rows normally a little roomier, even on smaller aircraft (an Embraer RJ145 Amazon)? I have long legs and could use a little extra room when I fly soon. Also, according to one site I can request an exit row at check-in, is that correct? I very rarely fly so I don't know these things.

[ktulu]

Are exit rows normally a little roomier, even on smaller aircraft (an Embraer RJ145 Amazon)? I have long legs and could use a little extra room when I fly soon. Also, according to one site I can request an exit row at check-in, is that correct? I very rarely fly so I don't know these things.

Yeah, the exit rows are usually roomier. In an RJ it's like 12A, 12B and 12C, as well as 1A. Most airlines reserve these seats for their frequent fliers (I'm American Airlines Gold AA member), but you can ask if one is available on check in. Try and get 12A, you'll be alone :)

Oh, www.seatguru.com will also tell you cool stuff about seats in planes.

[Shorty82]

Yeah, the exit rows are usually roomier. In an RJ it's like 12A, 12B and 12C, as well as 1A. Most airlines reserve these seats for their frequent fliers (I'm American Airlines Gold AA member), but you can ask if one is available on check in. Try and get 12A, you'll be alone :)

Oh, www.seatguru.com will also tell you cool stuff about seats in planes.

Cool sites, thanks a bunch.

I'll hope to get an exit row but will try for 12A.

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

Cool sites, thanks a bunch.

I'll hope to get an exit row but will try for 12A.

Must admit, the seat guru is pretty cool!!

[ktulu]

Cool sites, thanks a bunch.

I'll hope to get an exit row but will try for 12A.

Anything in row 12 :) Good luck! I'm on a MD-80 to San Jose later this month, but thankfully on an exit row.

[hobie16]

Some wheelchairs are not what they seem. (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/04/man-posing-as-disabled-person-hides-marijuana-in-wheelchair.html)

[DisneyMom]

Some wheelchairs are not what they seem. (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/04/man-posing-as-disabled-person-hides-marijuana-in-wheelchair.html)

He did it wrong:cool:
People who are ACTUALLY wheelchair-bound often have a thick cushion UNDER them-not the chair- to avoid pressure ulcers.

If you are going to be a Wheelchair Faker,do a little research!:mad:

[hobie16]

He did it wrong:cool:
People who are ACTUALLY wheelchair-bound often have a thick cushion UNDER them-not the chair- to avoid pressure ulcers.

If you are going to be a Wheelchair Faker,do a little research!:mad:
Even then the drug poochie will get ya.

I watched an Ag beagle get a guy in the Sydney, Australia airport. They tore his bag apart but didn't find anything. The guy had barely repacked his bag when a second Ag beagle came by. They tore his bag apart again. Guy was pissed!

[EeyoresButterfly]

What really get me with the fakers is when they're obvious about it and probably don't even think about it. When they do something like switch who gets in the wheelchair after they get off the ride or my absolute favorite when someone, usually a teenager, is limping to get on the ride and then gets off and either forgets to limp or limps with the other foot.

I have a really good friend who is a cancer survivor. She was diagnosed with leukemia when she was 17. She survived due to a bone marrow transplant, but it was not a perfect allogenic match. She suffers a form of rejection known as graft vs. host disease that requires massive doses of steroids to combat. Due to the treatment for the cancer and graft vs. host, she has necrosis of the hips, ankles, and knees. When we went to Disney in 2007, she had already had both hips replaced. She could walk, but not for long distances without tiring or being in excruciating pain.

We rented a wheelchair for her. We were both in our early 20's, and I tend to look closer to 14. Yes, we switched off sometimes. She didn't want to sit all the time as that could make the pain worse, so sometimes I would sit in the chair just for fun. I'm sure if somebody saw us, they would think that we were thinking. But believe me, my friend would trade anything to have not needed that chair.

I also had my own experience with a chair at DAK. An ECV had damaged my achilles tendon while I was working. I had already had plans to go to DAK, so I rented a wheelchair since I was told I could not be on my foot for more than 10 minutes at a time. My experience was similar to Zazu's in that it as very difficult to get up the hills by myself. It is a very different, and sometimes frustrating view. Again, I'm sure people looked at me and thought I was faking it because you couldn't see my brace underneath my jeans.

Those experiences have taught me that you can't always judge by what you see. Just because a young person does not have an obvious problem or can walk a little bit or somebody switches off once in awhile does not mean there is a genuine need there. Now, if they start ranting about how they should use the fast pass line on one the rides that is streamlined, then I'll start to wonder.

[lady ulrike]

We rented a wheelchair for her. We were both in our early 20's, and I tend to look closer to 14. Yes, we switched off sometimes. She didn't want to sit all the time as that could make the pain worse, so sometimes I would sit in the chair just for fun. I'm sure if somebody saw us, they would think that we were thinking. But believe me, my friend would trade anything to have not needed that chair.



Yes, but I'm sure you also didn't run to the chair which is usually what these people that I'm referring to do.

[Zazu]

Those experiences have taught me that you can't always judge by what you see. Just because a young person does not have an obvious problem or can walk a little bit or somebody switches off once in awhile does not mean there is a genuine need there. Now, if they start ranting about how they should use the fast pass line on one the rides that is streamlined, then I'll start to wonder.

All very true.

But when a group of teens go into an attraction with the blonde in the chair and come back with a brunette rolling... and I emote, "It's a miracle! One ride has cured you!" and one of the group says, "Uh oh, busted!" then I think I can make the correct call.

[drcorey]

If a female fakes being pregnant to get a wheelchair,
Is she just some mother faker?

[hobie16]

Pretty close. ;)

[drcorey]

Pretty close. ;)

If a nun dresses up like a priest.
do they say that father is really a mother?

[Zazu]

If a nun dresses up like a priest.
do they say that father is really a mother?

My cousin was a priest who led a hard fight in his denomination against the ordination of women. Then when the vote went the other way, he stood up and introduced his new assistant pastor, Father Vicky --- or as we all called her, Father Mother!

[tucsonclint2008]

I had a less than wonderful experience at Disneyland several years ago. My partner has a disability where he can't walk very far. We rented a wheelchair from the entrance of DL and no sooner had we rolled down Mainstreet, we had 4 Disney Security surround us and ask us why we needed a chair. My partner informed the main goon that he needed it for his disability. Luckily, before our trip out he had the foresight to have a letter written by his doctor saying he needed a wheelchair to get around, just in case he was questioned as we are both rough biker bear looking guys. The letter was produced and the goon grabbed it and walked away leaving us with the 3 boneheads. My partner said he was protected under the ADA law and he didn't have to reveal his disability. A few minutes later the main goon came back and handed him the letter and they all turned and walked away. Never an apology or anything. We will be back in mid September and because of this experience, we have arranged for a wheelchair to be waiting at the hotel for us.

[Ms. Matterhorn]

Sorry you had that experience, Tucson. That is very unusual. Hope you won't let it spoil your next trip.

[darph nader]

Welcome tucson from a fellow "Old Pueblion" and on behalf of the BDoSGT,,,
Take your choice.....:beer::beer::beer:

[Main Streeter]

We rented a wheelchair from the entrance of DL and no sooner had we rolled down Mainstreet, we had 4 Disney Security surround us and ask us why we needed a chair. My partner informed the main goon that he needed it for his disability. Luckily, before our trip out he had the foresight to have a letter written by his doctor saying he needed a wheelchair to get around, just in case he was questioned as we are both rough biker bear looking guys. The letter was produced and the goon grabbed it and walked away leaving us with the 3 boneheads. My partner said he was protected under the ADA law and he didn't have to reveal his disability.Hi tucson & welcome. Your post really blows my mind.:eek: This just doesn't sound like DLS, especially Main St. DLS. When was this? Goons & boneheads. Hmmm.

[Main Streeter]

"Pueblion" Seriously darph, is this an actual word???:confused: :D: :rolleyes:

[ktulu]

Hi tucson & welcome. Your post really blows my mind.:eek: This just doesn't sound like DLS, especially Main St. DLS. When was this? Goons & boneheads. Hmmm.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

Seriously darph, is this an actual word???:confused: :D: :rolleyes:

Of course duh!

[MouseKiss]

Seriously darph, is this an actual word???:confused: :D: :rolleyes:

What about Ol' Pueblanan? :rolleyes:

'For she's comin' round the mountain'

[Main Streeter]

Of course duh!You are EVIL!;)

[Main Streeter]

What about Ol' Pueblanan? :rolleyes:Gringoized I guess. w/e:rolleyes:

[darph nader]

Seriously darph, is this an actual word???:confused: :D: :rolleyes:

He knows what I mean,,,sheesh.;)
Besides it wuz two late in the day to spell it write,

[Big Wallaby]

Heya, Clint. :sgthello: Before you take that beer, I suggest you wait to drink it (and keep it far enough away that it doesn't burn) until the safety talk.

Your story is one of the strangest things I've heard. Sure, if you were running up Main Street as fast as you could and running over as many people as you could, I would certainly understand that. But from your writing style among other things, I am having a hard time seeing that. Hope the next trip goes much better.Welcome tucson from a fellow "Old Pueblion" and on behalf of the BDoSGT,,,
Take your choice.....:beer::beer::beer:Also, I would recommend against taking the one on the left. Trust me.

[Lasolimu]

Greetings tucsonclint2008, I am the resident dragon and would like to offer you a very warm* welcome to that slice of the internet we call SGT. This website contains threads with quick twists and turns and I would like to advise you to not try too hard to keep up with them. Please keep your hands, arms, and legs safely inside the website at all times and enjoy your stay.

*this instance of warm is actually hot**... very hot

**this instance of hot means that you are now literally on fire, I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for any inconvenience

[CBeilby]

*comes by in custodial whites to sweep up the ashes...*

[PatchOBlack]

Seriously darph, is this an actual word???:confused: :D: :rolleyes:

It is a perfectly cromulent word! Like embiggen!

[Main Streeter]

It is a perfectly cromulent word! Like embiggen!Sense when did we get high IQs on this board? Off to google.;)

[Big Wallaby]

And so with the omission of artistry in the vernacular, one may be deficient in their cromulent eludication.

[Main Streeter]

And so with the omission of artistry in the vernacular, one may be deficient in their cromulent eludication.I was just going to post same.;)

[PatchOBlack]

Sense when did we get high IQs on this board? Off to google.;)

I believe you mean "since", not sense.*puts on tweed jacket with patches on the elbows, and takes out a pipe.*

[hobie16]

... cromulent eludication.
Gesundheit!!

[Main Streeter]

I believe you mean "since", not sense.*puts on tweed jacket with patches on the elbows, and takes out a pipe.*Tells you a bit abt my I Q.:eek: T U. :)

[CBeilby]

Hmmm. Time fer me ta get me some edumacation!