Annual Passholders and their families

[Latasian731]

This is what happend to me today at a shop on Main Street...

Guest: I'm gonna get that Mickey mantle clock right over there.

Me: OK. I'll be right back let me get one boxed up for you. (I walk to get the box.)

Guest: Oh shoot! I don't have my annual pass with me, my husband has it...I'll be right back.

Me: That's ok, I'll have it here waiting for you.

Guest's hot-headed son: Can't you just look up her name on the computer or something?

Me: (Looking at the son perplexed) We dont have computers to look up annual passholders. Plus I need to physically see the ID to give out the discount. :bang:

The son: What? You don't trust us? Whatever happened to the honor system??

Guest: (towards son) Shut up and go wait outside.

Son: (towards mom) They (CM's) are not allowed to say "no" to guests.

Me: NO you can't have a discount until I see your annual pass. (Towards the son with a smile)

Guest: Stop making a scene and go outside.

Both of them leave.

The best part about it was that the mom came back with her annual pass but without her son. She apologized for the "stupidity" of her son and told me sometimes he just doesnt know when to shut up. :lol:

[DisneyPrincess]

At least the mom wasn't stupid too ;)

[Cloud Buster]

God damn spoiled yuppie kid. Grows up with a f*&#ing silver spoon in his mouth and expects everyone to be his goddamn servant. Good thing I wasn't there, I wouldn't have been able to keep my cool, because I want to slap the taste out of the little bastard.

[SRT_GB]

I agree with DisneyPrincess....at least the mom had some sense. In my experience it's usually the other way around.

[Cloud Buster]

Well she had some sense....but she did raise the kid to be like that, so maybe not too much after all...

[Ottar]

LOL way to go mom!!! :D :lol:

[SassyTinkrBelle8]

any of you run a movie or show that you HAVE to see over, and over, and over again? I do, it sucks when you og home and you have the ending song in your head until you wake up the next morning!!

Having said that, you all must know how it feels to run the last show for only two, sometimes ONE person, you don't want to do it. So you do everything possible to talk guests out of it. Tell them about other cool things they still have a chance to do. In my case, I can usually bribe them with the Eletrical Parade.... Not when they are APs!!!!!!!!! I ran a show for TWO whole freakin' guests who were proudly displaying their Annual Passes around their necks! I wanted to KILL them for two reasons:
1) They've probably seen it before, and honestly, once or twice is ENOUGH!
2) They coulda gone back on another day! They did not NEED to see it then, it was not their last chance. ARGH!

I hate running the show for only two or three people...

[Cloud Buster]

Oh god....they have lanyards for APs now??? Figures....so many APs wanna pretend they're some kind of "honorary" CM, so they need to wear their "ID"!

Where do you work, SassyTink, Golden Dreams?

[coldfire409]

run the last show for only two, sometimes ONE person, you don't want to do it. So you do everything possible to talk guests out of it.

I hate running the show for only two or three people...

I feel ya on that one. I remember one time I did a show for two people, and they couldn't speak english. That was the worst show I have ever had! Attempting to get them to go away was useless because they didn't know how to speak english. :roll:

[Freak]

Oh god....they have lanyards for APs now??? Figures....so many APs wanna pretend they're some kind of "honorary" CM, so they need to wear their "ID"!

I'm sorry but those AP lanyards are so dumb. Whenever I see an Anal Passhole wearing one, I laugh. They're like glorified fishing licence holders. And people can come up and snatch them right off their necks (hmmmm :twisted: )...

[Cloud Buster]

Exactly....they're just helping the APs give themselves an over-glorification, so they can show off to everyone in line -- "I KNOW WHAT I AM DOING BECAUSE I AM AN ANNUAL PASSHOLDER. ASK ME QUESTIONS BECAUSE I COME HERE ALL THE TIME AND I KNOW EVERYTHING, I EVEN KNOW MORE THAN THE CMs BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT BEEN WORKING HERE AS LONG AS I HAVE BEEN COMING HERE"....etc, etc, etc....

[hulkcoaster]

Not when they are APs!!!!!!!!! I ran a show for TWO whole freakin' guests who were proudly displaying their Annual Passes around their necks! I wanted to KILL them for two reasons:
1) They've probably seen it before, and honestly, once or twice is ENOUGH!
2) They coulda gone back on another day! They did not NEED to see it then, it was not their last chance. ARGH!

I don't see the point in arguing that the AP's were stupid because they chose to see an attraction when it was open. Boo hoo, you actually had to finish your shift. Big deal. They may have been extended stay guests (comes for 8 days or more on vacation and it is cheaper for them to buy an AP) for all you know.

[SassyTinkrBelle8]

Cloud Buster wrote:
Where do you work, SassyTink, Golden Dreams?
yes, I do. :lol:

hulkcoaster wrote:
Boo hoo, you actually had to finish your shift. Big deal.
I ALWAYS finish my shift, whether its double checking the theatre for things, or putting other stuff away, or talking to my lead about important things that happened that day. I never just take off. I was talking about running the last show which is always ran right when the park closes for people that I can tell have seen it before, especially when they say, "we always watch this one."

[coldfire409]

I don't see the point in arguing that the AP's were stupid because they chose to see an attraction when it was open. Boo hoo, you actually had to finish your shift. Big deal. They may have been extended stay guests (comes for 8 days or more on vacation and it is cheaper for them to buy an AP) for all you know.

It's not exactly that, it's somewhat creapy when you are doing a show and there are only 2 people on it. When you think about it the firearm that I use on the show holds 6 shots. I can literally shoot each guest 3 times and not have to reload. That is if I used live ammo and shot the guests on the shows, but you know what I mean.

[SassyTinkrBelle8]

It's not exactly that, it's somewhat creapy when you are doing a show and there are only 2 people on it. When you think about it the firearm that I use on the show holds 6 shots. I can literally shoot each guest 3 times and not have to reload. That is if I used live ammo and shot the guests on the shows, but you know what I mean.

LOL, yeah, its really wierd to sit there and watch a show with only two people in there. I've done it for one. There's just something strange about being in a fairly big theatre with just two other people at the end of the night.

[DisneyPrincess]

We've run Fantasmic for a group of 20 before. It was after a huge rainstorm that evaced into ToTS, almost everyone left. Then these few people came in and really wanted to see it.

[leftcoaster]

Having said that, you all must know how it feels to run the last show for only two, sometimes ONE person, you don't want to do it. So you do everything possible to talk guests out of it. Tell them about other cool things they still have a chance to do. In my case, I can usually bribe them with the Eletrical Parade.... Not when they are APs!!!!!!!!! I ran a show for TWO whole freakin' guests who were proudly displaying their Annual Passes around their necks! I wanted to KILL them for two reasons:
1) They've probably seen it before, and honestly, once or twice is ENOUGH!
2) They coulda gone back on another day! They did not NEED to see it then, it was not their last chance. ARGH!

I hate running the show for only two or three people...
Why? It's not like it's your JOB or anything. Wow, what do you have to do, hit a button - the one that says "START," right ? :roll:

I can sympathize with the unruly guests, having guests yell at me, asking stupid questions, but I CANNOT rationalize WHY you think it's so beyond you to run a lousy show for 1 person.

Gawd, I hope you never really get into customer service.

[PoohBunniesHutch]

Well, hanging an AP from my neck is just about the only way I can keep from losing it. I'm most decidedly anal retentive and insist on putting things in their proper place immediately upon using said item. Well, it really pissed my hubby off that I had to stop, put it away then stop, pull it out again and again and again.

So for my b-day he got me a lanyard.

So, now I have to make sure that the case is sealed tightly and all.....

[SassyTinkrBelle8]

Why? It's not like it's your JOB or anything. Wow, what do you have to do, hit a button - the one that says "START," right ? :roll:

I can sympathize with the unruly guests, having guests yell at me, asking stupid questions, but I CANNOT rationalize WHY you think it's so beyond you to run a lousy show for 1 person.

Gawd, I hope you never really get into customer service.
OK, when did this turn into me just not wanting to do my job?! I LOVE my job. My favorite part about the job is the interaction. I usually have good experiences at work. I really do, sometimes I just don't feel like watching it again. I put that post the day that it happened. I really did not want to watch it that night. Even the guy that I was working with came out and said, "only two, man that sucks" Also, I only know one attraction, over half a year, and I'm barely going to learn a new one. A movie gets old. I really do like my job. I LOVE it. I don't want to work anywhere else. Everyone has their off days, sorry that mine is the only one that people feel the need to bash.

[Zazu]

Folks, perhaps this is a good time for a reminder that this web site is the right place to bitch about your job. Doesn't matter if you have a legitimate bitch or not. Blowing off steam is one of the things we're about here.

More importantly, this web site is not the right place to bash each other for any reason -- even if you're right. There are lots of different people here, and we're obviously going to disagree at times. You know the saying: "Three managers, four policies."

If you don't understand someone, by all means feel free to ask about it. If you understand, but just don't agree, by all means say that you don't agree. Just don't let things degenerate into personal insults.

This rule applies especially to newbies! http://mitglied.lycos.de/galaxystrike/smilies/92.gif

[Max Fischer]

I don't feel as though I can weigh in on the work issue, or whether or not to show the film, as a non-CM, I don't have that kind of insight. However, as the founding member of the "CMs are people too, stop bitching about them you freaks!" club, I do have a few thoughts.

First, I am a DLR rookie, was there for the first time last Oct. I purchased an AP cus it was like $20 bucks more then what I was already paying. Even as a AP rookie, I knew NOT to wear the fuggin thing, what a tool move!!! Sorry, unless I am going to space, I really don't need to have that quick of access to it. I have these special garments called "pants" that have these unique storage facilities called "pockets" that store my belongings, so I store my AP in that, next to some gum and money. If for some reason I need extra storage I will put on my special 'Cargo pants' which have an additional two side pockets. I have to be careful wearing these in space, or other zero G enviornments.....

Anyway, good times, fight the power, and stupid guests. Remember there are some people out there that support you. Maybe we need a secret signal like the "Kuh-kaw" from Saving Silverman. That way if you need someone to be beat down, you just 'Kuh-Kah' and I will let the beating begin.

Seacrest out!

[VonSeegs]

...Even as a AP rookie, I knew NOT to wear the fuggin thing, what a tool move!!! Sorry, unless I am going to space, I really don't need to have that quick of access to it. I have these special garments called "pants" that have these unique storage facilities called "pockets" that store my belongings, so I store my AP in that, next to some gum and money. If for some reason I need extra storage I will put on my special 'Cargo pants' which have an additional two side pockets. I have to be careful wearing these in space, or other zero G enviornments.....

Anyway, good times, fight the power, and stupid guests. Remember there are some people out there that support you. Maybe we need a secret signal like the "Kuh-kaw" from Saving Silverman. That way if you need someone to be beat down, you just 'Kuh-Kah' and I will let the beating begin.

I freaken love you man!

[PrncssCinderAlly]

i have an issue with some of the annual passholders that come to the parks. Not all and i dont mean to say they all have issues or whatever. The point im trying to make is a lot of the AP's who come act like they know everything. ITs really hard for me to do my job when you are trying to do it for me. For example... I work the haunted mansion and im getting really sick of other people trying to say the speil over me and or the ghost host. ITs not so bad with the ghost host, but people that step thru the door and automatically tell the room to step away from the walls and into the dead center and say it loud and proud as if they own the place its like HELLO?! Let me do my job butthead!!! And do they even realize that they are supposed to be guests!?!? when you are in someone elses home you are to be respectful and courteous. OK granted you may or may not have paid $50 to get in. If you are an ap you barely paid anything. and you may think we OWE you something. we do our best to make a good time for you if you let us. SHeesh!

[VonSeegs]

...I work the haunted mansion and im getting really sick of other people trying to say the speil over me and or the ghost host. ITs not so bad with the ghost host, but people that step thru the door and automatically tell the room to step away from the walls and into the dead center and say it loud and proud as if they own the place its like HELLO?! Let me do my job butthead!!!

You'll get over that really soon. That's when you just clear your throat, ask them to stand next to you and make them do it for the whole room. In my experience they crawl into a corner and then you can do it yourself. Just go with the flow.

[Zazu]

...I work the haunted mansion and im getting really sick of other people
trying to say the speil over me and or the ghost host. ITs not so bad with
the ghost host, but people that step thru the door and automatically tell
the room to step away from the walls and into the dead center and say it
loud and proud as if they own the place its like HELLO?! Let me do my job
butthead!!!
You'll get over that really soon. That's when you just clear your throat,
ask them to stand next to you and make them do it for the whole room.
In my experience they crawl into a corner and then you can do it
yourself. Just go with the flow.
If they don't crawl into a corner, then when it's time for their group to
move on, tell them they have to stay and repeat that spiel every five
minutes for the next eight hours! :twisted:

[Cloud Buster]

A lot of these APers, those aforementioned as the type that think they know everything (trying to do all the speils on HM, beating Cruise skippers to their punchlines, etc) seem to have an "I'm an honorary cast member" complex -- particularly the younger ones. They take it a little too seriously, and I think in some cases the wearing of the AP out in the open on a lanyard as though it were their "ID". Since I do so much work that crosses between backstage and onstage, I'm supposed to have my ID displayed all the time, but even I don't wear it on a lanyard. I have one of those belt clips that has a retractable cord on it (which I got from Team Center), so I can have it on me somewhat discreetly, but also can easily enough pull it up to show it to security (since I have to cross the gates several times a day).

A friend of mine is an APer who's somewhat like one of these that we've discussed, and the first time she saw my ID clipped to my belt (which has a small Disney logo on it) she said "That's so cool! I should wear my Annual Pass like that! Can you get me one of those?". I just said to her "Well...take my advice....just keep it in your pocket." She asked why, and I told her straight, "I'm an employee, this is for security...when you wear your pass like that it just.....looks stupid."

That being said, I don't think ALL APers doing the lanyard thing are morons for doing it. My sister, for example, while not an APer does like to collect the DLR character lanyards. I suppose for some people when they wear it in the park, it's a piece of "flare" that just shows their spirit. I suppose when used in that way it's not so bad.

But the "I'm an Annual Passholder -- Disney needs me to work for them they just don't know it yet" bit....that's, well, stupid.

[Wubbo]

i was talking with a premium pass holder (pass displayed proudly of course :roll: ) when a guest came and asked me a question. well before i could open my mouth he just took over and started answering all her questions complete with the arm waving and two finger point. so i just stood there fighting the smell from his armpits and when i couldn't take the smell anymore and when i couldn't keep my face straight anymore i just walked off in mid conversation. ahh well... 8)

[Cloud Buster]

i was talking with a premium pass holder (pass displayed proudly of course :roll: ) when a guest came and asked me a question. well before i could open my mouth he just took over and started answering all her questions complete with the arm waving and two finger point. so i just stood there fighting the smell from his armpits and when i couldn't take the smell anymore and when i couldn't keep my face straight anymore i just walked off in mid conversation. ahh well... 8)

EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN!!! LOL....I can't believe he actually used the two finger point!!!

That's just sad...buying a PAP because you're a "wannabe CM" is just pathetic....

[coldfire409]

EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN!!! LOL....I can't believe he actually used the two finger point!!!

I work for Disney and I don't even use the damed two finger point. :evil: Now we have guests are are using it :roll:

[Jedi]

It was a few years ago when I was a lead. I was checking on one of the
stores when an annual passholder came up to one of the castmembers at
the register wanting a discount on an item that came to about $6. We
only give discounts to premium passholders if the item rings up at $10
before tax. Being an annual passholder he should have known this but
was trying to work the system. He stated, "I always get the discount no
matter how much I spend." I tried to explain the policy for premium
annual passholders & discounts. I advised him that I would honor the
discount this time as a courtesy but in the future he would not be entitled
to it unless the required purchase was made. He told me he was Michael
Eisner's cousin. Again I tried to let him know that it was a courtesy to him
& that I was just letting him know so that he would be aware in the future
that they would not apply the discount unless the proper amount was
spent. I was just trying to save him the hassle. He finally said, " Fine!!!
You want your money back then you can have your money back & threw
some change at me. He did not want to hear my explanation, it went in
one ear & out the other. He then asked for my manager. I explained I
would locate her if he could wait. When she finally got there after say
10-15 minutes he realized that she was not good enough & he wanted her
manager. Then when she told him who her manager was he continued on
saying that her manager was not good enough & that we need the next
higher up. Well in that case would it not be his lovely cousin Michael
Eisner. What a dickweed!!!!!. If he were his cousin why would he need a
pass in the first place. Go figure! He finally walked away with a list of
managers names & I assume proceeded to City Hall. I never heard
anything furthur about the incident.

[PoohBunniesHutch]

I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you, but DL does not have the monopoly on the two fingered point. I learned it in cotillion, in grade school, when I went to work for Robinsons and then again at Bullocks, its a common way to direct a person without pointing, which is quite rude to begin with.

[DisneyFan25863]

I've used a two finger point for as long as I can remember, and I'm only 14. I know some of my friends are offended when someone points with one finger, so that may be the root of it.


PoohBunniesHutch is right. Its not just CMs who use 2 fingers.

[Jedi]

I don't know why this came back to me. That was not even the point of my story. I was explaining about how dumb the guest was that they could not even see the restaurant or the hallway. I just added saying 2 finger point to make the story more colorful. My story really had nothing to do with the pointing. So I don't know how it came back to me. I had seen someone else way back use that in one of their stories & it sounded good so I put it in.

[Cloud Buster]

I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you, but DL does not have the monopoly on the two fingered point. I learned it in cotillion, in grade school, when I went to work for Robinsons and then again at Bullocks, its a common way to direct a person without pointing, which is quite rude to begin with.
Agreed, but I'd say for that if it's an obsessed APer doing it, they're probably doing it out of CM hero worship (the aforementioned "I'm an honorary Disney CM" complex").

[Dalisair]

Exactly ... they're just helping the APs give themselves an over-glorification, so they can show off to everyone in line -- "I KNOW WHAT I AM DOING BECAUSE I AM AN ANNUAL PASSHOLDER. ASK ME QUESTIONS BECAUSE I COME HERE ALL THE TIME AND I KNOW EVERYTHING, I EVEN KNOW MORE THAN THE CMs BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT BEEN WORKING HERE AS LONG AS I HAVE BEEN COMING HERE" ... etc, etc, etc....
Heh, I was actually EMBARASED about knowing too much about the park and Disney characters during my orientation when one of the trainers said somethign to the effect of - If you have any questions, you can ask me, trainer 2, Trainer 3 or R (me) or M (another trainee that showed too much knowledge). Worst part? She actually MEANT it. LOL

Embarassed me to no end.

[Polar33]

Heh...don't be embarassed, be proud. When I used to train, I would have killed for trainees that actually knew their way around the park. Training goes by so much smoother when you don't have to explain to trainees that Tweety Bird isn't Disney. The bulk of my trainees said that they've never even been to Disneyland before. Heh...one of the many reasons I refuse to train now.

[Dalisair]

Heh ... don't be embarassed, be proud. When I used to train, I would have killed for trainees that actually knew their way around the park. Training goes by so much smoother when you don't have to explain to trainees that Tweety Bird isn't Disney. The bulk of my trainees said that they've never even been to Disneyland before. Heh ... one of the many reasons I refuse to train now.
Kinda funny, as I was sitting there, I felt I would be better suited to teaching orentation than what I was hired for....

Oh well, only gotta wait a year....

[nitro-junkie]

Okay, for allllll the AP's out there: The only people on God's good earth who ever get to wear their "I.D." of any sort are those of us with the eternally sought after "Access all areas" laminates (i.e. "the backstage pass"), and are called Roadies.

If you're walkin' around a theme park with your admission ticket hangin' around your neck...you need to learn how to talk to and hopefully have physical contact with, the opposite sex.

And yes, I have been reading a LOT of Hunter S. Thompson lately!

[fantasmike]

Exactly ... they're just helping the APs give themselves an over-glorification, so they can show off to everyone in line -- "I KNOW WHAT I AM DOING BECAUSE I AM AN ANNUAL PASSHOLDER. ASK ME QUESTIONS BECAUSE I COME HERE ALL THE TIME AND I KNOW EVERYTHING, I EVEN KNOW MORE THAN THE CMs BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT BEEN WORKING HERE AS LONG AS I HAVE BEEN COMING HERE" ... etc, etc, etc....
Heh, I was actually EMBARASED about knowing too much about the park and Disney characters during my orientation when one of the trainers said somethign to the effect of - If you have any questions, you can ask me, trainer 2, Trainer 3 or R (me) or M (another trainee that showed too much knowledge). Worst part? She actually MEANT it. LOL

Embarassed me to no end.
HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!! I Wasnt imbarreses when she said that! I was the M That you are reffering too!! I find it kinda cool to know things that other dont! I love disneyland, though I am a CM, I love working for disney! Cmon now, dont hate!

[Wizard69]

2 AP's come up to me yesterday in my store and ask me "Does the AP discount apply here?" I tell them that "If it's a Premium pass and over $10" So the one AP turns to the other and says "I'm not sure if we have that one or not."

How the hell can you not know which pass you bought?

[SRT_GB]

2 AP's come up to me yesterday in my store and ask me "Does the AP discount apply here?" I tell them that "If it's a Premium pass and over $10" So the one AP turns to the other and says "I'm not sure if we have that one or not."

How the hell can you not know which pass you bought?
You'd be surprised how often I hear that one.

[GMC]

they probly shelled out some money and said give me one, and got one according to the amount shelled out.

[CA Screamin Dude]

Last night at Souvies...

Right at closing, we were taking down all of the tarp-walls like usual, and these guests came up to buy something, last guests of the night. They settled on something over $10, never showed me or mentioned to me anything about a PAP, so I rang it up, they get the money out for it, and one goes "wait wait, I have a premium AP". So I have to first do a return, then a purchase and discount that final purchase. Well, fate would have it that in the middle of the original purchase, the register tape got jammed, so the return receipt was lost for the moment. After the tape was back through the printer like normal, I found the barcode to scan for the return, and went on. 15 minutes later, they got their discount, which was something like $1.50. Really worth it...

[Mommytomjm]

Well, I for one hope no one thinkgs my husband or I are stupid for wearin our AP's and stuff around our neck. I am in a wheelchair (with my daughter's attached next to mine) and can't get to pockets or a purse easily, so I wear mine (along with my GAC, stickers for the daughter, and the park schedule for that day in it....) My daughters has information on her disabilities and my phone info just in case (heaven forbid) she was ever to wander off (she can't talk, so this is critical) The husbands is around his neck so I can reach in and get what he needs without him having to take his hands from pusihing our wheelchairs. For us it is totally practical....

[Stduck]

Well, I for one hope no one thinkgs my husband or I are stupid for wearin our AP's and stuff around our neck. I am in a wheelchair (with my daughter's attached next to mine) and can't get to pockets or a purse easily, so I wear mine (along with my GAC, stickers for the daughter, and the park schedule for that day in it....) My daughters has information on her disabilities and my phone info just in case (heaven forbid) she was ever to wander off (she can't talk, so this is critical) The husbands is around his neck so I can reach in and get what he needs without him having to take his hands from pusihing our wheelchairs. For us it is totally practical....

That makes sense to me. Like me wearing shorts on the parade route, I look hideous but I am cooler.

[RCLessigJr]

Well, I for one hope no one thinkgs my husband or I are stupid for wearin our AP's and stuff around our neck. I am in a wheelchair (with my daughter's attached next to mine) and can't get to pockets or a purse easily, so I wear mine (along with my GAC, stickers for the daughter, and the park schedule for that day in it....) My daughters has information on her disabilities and my phone info just in case (heaven forbid) she was ever to wander off (she can't talk, so this is critical) The husbands is around his neck so I can reach in and get what he needs without him having to take his hands from pusihing our wheelchairs. For us it is totally practical....

I don't think any of us would ever think that. You sound like an awesome family and have bigger hearts then most. Bless you guys and keep up doing what you guys do. :) :wheelchai :bouncemic

[TGSal]

Mommy: People like you are the reasons we are (or were) CMs in the first place. You have a sense of your surroundings, your decisions are logical, and you genuinely care about those around you. Just keep doing what you're doing and giving CMs your smiles and you'll have nothing but smiles to take home with you at the end of your visits!!! :)

[Mommytomjm]

Awwww, thanks you guys, what a nice thing to come here and read. MJ is having a particualrly bad night and I had to call Andrew tocome home from work because she was hysterical, so I really needed this tonight!

I hope I get to meet some of you DL folks someday!

[murf]

First off mom... You (and your family) are the reason the passes were made and we love serving/helping people like you! ;)
I did want to comment on the original post in that it always amazes me that people think that we can magically bring up AP info on any computer in or out of the parks! I love the "just look it up on your computer" whenever they come into the M&F Structure without there pass (and I guess thats why a lot of them wear lanyards!) and I have to go through the "our computers are not linked to any other systems" speil and they complain time and time again about us not doing our job/its not the disney way/your not nice/thats rude (and the list goes on). If people would just read about what they are buying they wouldn't get so upset when we have to say NO!

[kimpossible33]

I truly hope I don't qualify as a passhole considering I've only had an AP for a month, however, I felt I fit in this thread, as I am, after all, an Annual Passholder and have a passhole-like family member.

Last time I visited the park was with my 8-year-old cousin, Jennifer, earlier this month. Mind you, she has a reputation as the brattiest kid in our family. But being that I'd just gotten an AP, I figured it couldn't hurt for me to take her to Disneyland (she goes every summer). The rest of my family, with their two-day park hoppers, had planned their trips to the park around their time spent with Jennifer, so that they wouldn't be with her when she changed it to be the Crappiest Place on Earth.

When we went over to wait in line for the turnstiles, the whine-boiler was already bubbling. First, we did Indy and Splash, HM, Pirates, and Big Thunder. At least she was grateful she was old enough to use the Singles line (and that I knew of such thing), and that I knew where to stand in the ER at Mansion (don't worry, didn't push anyone out of the way), because she obviously HATES waiting in any kind of line. And it was about 8:45 when we had done those five rides.

In line for Jungle Cruise, we went upstairs and we were at the point where it split into two lines. The line on the right was full but the line on the left was empty up until it reached the stairs which you descend. So I started to walk into the left line and Jennifer pulled me back.
Jennifer: "We're not supposed to go in that line."
Me: "What makes you say that?"
Jennifer: "DUH, BECAUSE THERE'S NO ONE THERE."
I then explain that the people in the line on the right are obviously deprived of common sense as I drag her into the line on the left, considering that anyone could see the line was NOT roped off and that, smack dab on our left where the other set of stairs was, BOTH lines were full. We walk all the way around, back to the stairs we're supposed to descend (and the line finally fills up with the people behind us), and Jennifer glances at the people in the right-side line.
Jennifer: "Boy, those people must be really stupid."

What confuses me is how guests have no problem with stepping over ropes and chains, yet there is seemingly an invisible barrier preventing guests from using BOTH lines in a queue that splits into two.

At lunchtime, I ask her if she's hungry, and she replies yes. We go into the Village Haus and she takes one look at the huge lines.
Jennifer: "I'm not hungry anymore."
Me: "Okay, well, you can sit over there and wait while I wait in line and order MY lunch because I'm starving."
Jennifer: "I'll have a cheeseburger."

Later, shortly after dinner:
Jennifer: "I want to go on the Autopia!"
Me: "Okay. It says the Stand-by wait is 45 minutes, do you want to wait in the Stand-by line?"
Jennifer: "No, let's get Fastpasses."
*we get Fastpasses. 5 minutes later:*
Me: "Okay, so what do you want to do now?"
Jennifer: "I want to go on the Autopia!"
Me: "But we have to wait until our Fastpasses are valid."
Jennifer: "But I don't WANT to wait, I want to go on NOW!"
Me: "But you said you didn't want to wait in line! Pick something else."
Jennifer: "Fireworks."
Me: "They don't start until 9:30. It's 7:00."
Jennifer: "Okay, how about the Autopia?"

At this point I'm starting to think she and Dory from Finding Nemo should form a club.

We finally get to ride the Autopia:
Jennifer: "I want to drive!"
(She's about five inches too short.)
Me: "No, I don't think you're tall enough. But if you want I can press the pedal and you can steer."
Jennifer: "No, I want to do it by myself."
Me: "Fine."
After trying to put up with a few, "BUT I WANT THE GOLD CAR!" screams, we finally get in our supposedly "boring" red car and she struggles to reach the pedal. (Has to squat down in her seat, which I knew would happen. Hate to say "I told you so." So I didn't, I merely hinted it. :rolleyes: ) CM motions for us to go.
Jennifer: "COME ON, she's telling us to go!"
Me: *pressing pedal* "I know, but you said you wanted to drive."
Jennifer: "No, I didn't!"
After about 20 seconds of driving, she shoves my hands off she steering wheel.
Jennifer: "I said I wanted to drive!"

She's dead tired at about 9:20 and we're struggling to get from Tomorrowland over to Main Street to meet our grandmother so we can watch the Fireworks together. Of course, crowds are insane but we finally managed to reach the Plaza Inn (more difficult because we're supposed to stay to the right). Grandmother's nowhere to be seen (we were actually supposed to get to one of the benches but it was hardly possible and the fireworks were about to start), so I just bring her to the top of a small set of stairs outside the Plaza Inn and she's whining her butt off.
Jennifer: "Where's Nana?!"
Me: "It's way too hard to get to her, the crowds are huge."
Jennifer: "Well, it's not the same without her!"
*I spend about 30 seconds pondering why almost every single attraction is okay without our grandmother, yet the fireworks are not.*
Jennifer, placing her forehead on the stair railing and facing the ground at the beginning of the fireworks show, continuously mumbles about not being with her grandmother, but looks up when Tinkerbell comes, she recognizes the music, or there is a loud explosion. After the Pirates of the Caribbean sequence, she's 100% focused on the show. I look at her face and she, with her mouth agape, is undeniably amazed. After the show is over:
Me: "Wow, wasn't that awesome?!"
Jennifer: "I hate it. Can we go now?"
Me: "YES. THANK YOU."

[hobie16]

Jennifer has obviously reached her teen years early.

[PrincessY]

Jennifer needs to stay home!

[leftcoaster]

Duct tape.

[Buggy]

What confuses me is how guests have no problem with stepping over ropes and chains, yet there is seemingly an invisible barrier preventing guests from using BOTH lines in a queue that splits into two.


You answer your own question:


Jennifer: "We're not supposed to go in that line."
Me: "What makes you say that?"
Jennifer: "DUH, BECAUSE THERE'S NO ONE THERE."


In general, people tend to stay in a line once formed. If it splits and one split is nearly empty, people think that you aren't supposed to go there.

[BRWombat]

But being that I'd just gotten an AP, I figured it couldn't hurt for me to take her to Disneyland ...
And you volunteered for this punishment why, exactly? :eek:

[CA Screamin Dude]

You answer your own question:

In general, people tend to stay in a line once formed. If it splits and one split is nearly empty, people think that you aren't supposed to go there.
Yep. Here's what to remember when visiting Disneyland. Every place that you can't go is somehow roped off, or there is a door closed to get there. Every place you can go has a door that's already open, or the ropes have been removed. Guests should not open doors at Disneyland, unless it involves a bathroom. If there's anywhere a guest can not go, they will have to open a door, remove a rope, hop over a fence or railing, or enter an area labeled "Cast Members/Worker Bees/Maintainance Staff/River Guides/AuthorizedPersonnell Only".

[kimpossible33]

You answer your own question

There was no question. I was merely pointing out the irony.

In general, people tend to stay in a line once formed. If it splits and one split is nearly empty, people think that you aren't supposed to go there.

Exactly, my point being that when it's obvious they are not supposed to go somewhere (ie. someplace roped off), they still break the rules, yet when there's only a mere speck of uncertainty as to whether or not they are allowed to do something, they play it safe. Did I miss something in what Screamin Dude and Buggy said, or was I just unclear?


And you volunteered for this punishment why, exactly?

Lol.. I'd figured, with my knowledge of the park (which isn't much but it's enough to get a lot done in one day and have fun), I'd be able to show her a good time, thus terminating the horrible curse she has cast upon my family. Honestly? I pitied her a bit, and I made the mistake of suggesting that she and I visit the park, right when I first saw her this summer. Of course, THEN, I'd not yet been annoyed by her, (hey, I still love her :rolleyes: ) I'd only seen her for about five minutes when I made the suggestion. And of course, it excited her, and she told her parents, and they reminded me of it, and I couldn't just say "no." Besides, I think my aunt and uncle just wanted me to take her out of their hair for one day.

Duct tape.

It's so simple, I don't know why I never thought of it before! :eek:

[Main Streeter]

Duct tape.
LOL, one should never be without duct tape! Seriously, is one of my staples!!

[Buggy]

Exactly, my point being that when it's obvious they are not supposed to go somewhere (ie. someplace roped off), they still break the rules, yet when there's only a mere speck of uncertainty as to whether or not they are allowed to do something, they play it safe. Did I miss something in what Screamin Dude and Buggy said, or was I just unclear?

Sorry. Missed the irony. Sometimes it's tough getting the tone of what is being read from a message board. Mea culpa. :)

[Stduck]

The rope thing baffles me to no end. During Mansion Holiday (when facing the train station) the area on the right (right next to the mansion gates) and the fountain in front of the train station all become Queue. During any other part of the year these areas are empty for the most part a few people leaning on railings and the parked strollers. The momment we put up our extended Queue and Fountain queue ropes everyone and their mother has to go THROUGH the ropes that are clearly set up there for when our line needs them. People get upset when we move strollers from this area as well.