First post, Smashed toes, Stupid Woman!

[Eeyore Tattoo]

While watching Wishes over along side of the castle A rather large woman on a large ECV decided she wanted to get a head start on exiting the park.
As you can guess it was wall to wall people on that walkway with iron fences on either side of the path. This woman decided to heck with this crowd, I am just going to push on through..:eek:
All of a sudden DH and I heard people yelling out "Ouch" "look out" "Stop!"
We wondered what was going on. I found out what was going on when she ran over my feet. We tried to jump back, But were up against the iron fence. Myself along with many others were run-over and I had 4 very swollen toes for the next few days.
Now that's a Stupid Guest..
Deb

[DisneyMom]

No, that's assault! She obviously knew she was hurting people, but didn't care. It is too bad nobody apparently turned her in. Have the CM's here ever had to detain anyone for doing something like that?

[hobie16]

How easy is it to turn one of those things over? Kinda like cow tipping maybe?

[Brettchief]

that's just awful.. Those ECVs should be banned from parks.:rolleyes:

[Eeyore Tattoo]

that's just awful.. Those ECVs should be banned from parks.:rolleyes:

The Disney ECV's are huge!
But I am a ECV user. Don't ban them :eek:
I usually try to not use it at night though if I feel OK to do a little walking,Though after crushed toes I was not that lucky again that trip..
I own my own small ECV and am very careful when using it.
This "Woman" was on a park rental and I wish someone would have tipped her, then ran over her for good measure:twisted:
Deb:o:

[Syndrome]

Sadly, for some people ECV = Entitlement 'Cause (I'm on this) Vehicle. That woman crushing toes was obviously one of that ilk.

[mechurchlady]

I am sure at least one of the guys at SGT will kiss your toes to make them feel better.

[Rob562]

So speaking hypothetically..... As a pedestrian near an ECV, just how difficult would it be to reach over, turn the key off and remove it in one swift motion? ;)

If I'd have been there, I would have really been tempted to grab the key and strand her, left to deal with the smooshed-toes Guests standing there, from whom she can't run (drive) away from anymore. If I was REALLY evil I'd toss it in the castle waterway :twisted:, but perhaps just turn it into Lost & Found....

-Rob

[SRT_GB]

So speaking hypothetically..... As a pedestrian near an ECV, just how difficult would it be to reach over, turn the key off and remove it in one swift motion? ;)

If I'd have been there, I would have really been tempted to grab the key and strand her, left to deal with the smooshed-toes Guests standing there, from whom she can't run (drive) away from anymore. If I was REALLY evil I'd toss it in the castle waterway :twisted:, but perhaps just turn it into Lost & Found....

-RobVERY easy, if they're the same or similar ECVs that I dealt with for 4 years. It's usually black and sticks out about 2 inches from either the left or right side of the little box on top of the steering column. It looks similar to a big headphones or speaker plug. To remove it, simply yank it out. And if the SG has the attached wrist coil around his or her wrist while driving it, well, that's an added bonus if you yank the key.

For added effect, there's always a switch, usually on the back, that allows the ECV to roll freely, kind of like putting a car in neutral. Flip that switch and you can have all kinds of fun with the SGs.

[lady ulrike]

Well I'm not sure about WDW, but here at Disneyland, we got new ECVs and the key is really a key now. I think you even have to turn it like the ignition in a car, so it's a little more difficult to take out now.

[GeminiAngel]

I think a nice big smack in the back of her head would have been in order. :twisted:

[Princess Susi]

Yeah a REALLY BIG SMACK on the head!:twisted:

[hobie16]

I'm still for cow tipping.

http://www.cowdepot.com/cowtipcbsign.jpg

[BRWombat]

VERY easy, if they're the same or similar ECVs that I dealt with for 4 years. It's usually black and sticks out about 2 inches from either the left or right side of the little box on top of the steering column. It looks similar to a big headphones or speaker plug. To remove it, simply yank it out. And if the SG has the attached wrist coil around his or her wrist while driving it, well, that's an added bonus if you yank the key.Frankly, if that happened to me, she'd better hope that she didn't have the wrist strap attached, because with me it'd be a quick 3-step motion: (1) grab key (2) yank (3) chuck it as hard as I could into the darkness. :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Big Wallaby]

On behalf of the Marsupial Welcoming Committee, Welcome to SGT from :wombat: and :wallaby:. Enjoy your time here, and don't eat the yellow snow.

How easy is it to turn one of those things over? Kinda like cow tipping maybe?

That was my first thought. I wouldn't think that very often about someone in an ECV, but taking out my toes, she'd be messing with my livelihood. Further, if she got a kid with the thing, that would be reason to go ballistic and not just knock her from the ECV, but then to drag her to the nearest security person. Of course, from what you describe, that may prove to be difficult. But, of course, you making the effort to drag her there would bring them to you instead.

As far as taking the key, I think all you would have to do is grab at the tag, and the key would come almost unimpeded, as it's just a 1/4" audio plug.

The more I think about it, the more I wish you had got Security involved...

[crystal_crtr]

Those are great ideas on how to deal with those people. Earlier this year I had pull my daughter very quickly from the path of those things charging. I had to do this several times. They are glad that I was able to get her out of the way because if they had hurt her than my maternal instincts really would have kicked in. :strolrev:

[Eeyore Tattoo]

On behalf of the Marsupial Welcoming Committee, Welcome to SGT from :wombat: and :wallaby:. Enjoy your time here, and don't eat the yellow snow.

Thanks for the Welcome!
I have had fun reading all the posts!
I will say Howdy to you if I see ya in December! Drive Friendly:eek:
Deb

[leftcoaster]

If you can't whip it out fast enough, maybe try to bend it or bend it after you take it out.

But I do like chucking it far far away from the biatch. :twisted:

[Alyssa3467]

So speaking hypothetically..... As a pedestrian near an ECV, just how difficult would it be to reach over, turn the key off and remove it in one swift motion? ;)

If I'd have been there, I would have really been tempted to grab the key and strand her, left to deal with the smooshed-toes Guests standing there, from whom she can't run (drive) away from anymore. If I was REALLY evil I'd toss it in the castle waterway :twisted:, but perhaps just turn it into Lost & Found....

-Rob

Well I'm not sure about WDW, but here at Disneyland, we got new ECVs and the key is really a key now. I think you even have to turn it like the ignition in a car, so it's a little more difficult to take out now.

I was rather disappointed when I saw how the keys on the current generation of ECVs were because of the scenario Rob presented and the added difficulty in pulling something like that off. :rolleyes:

[mechurchlady]

I would have done a Zazu on her. Popcorn and soda down her back.

[SRT_GB]

I was rather disappointed when I saw how the keys on the current generation of ECVs were because of the scenario Rob presented and the added difficulty in pulling something like that off. :rolleyes:New ECVs with keys that turn? How lame! That probably means no more red keys :(. Well there still has to be a way to disengage the brake on the back. Then you could push the SG into a dark corner and leave them there. I'd like to see them push the damn thing back and prove they didn't need the ECV in the first place.

The added bonus of taking the key away is that they technically have to return the key to get the deposit back. Unfortunately with all the spineless leads and managers at the Stroller Shop, I never saw a lead keep a deposit if a SG made enough fuss about it.

[Big Wallaby]

As sweet as it would be to be poetic in your justice, on this one I would be much more apt to get Orange County involved, have her arrested, get her information for later, get pictures of your toes a couple days later, medical treatment, and a couple hundred K for pain and suffering, with Disney banning her just for added effect. :2fingers:

[Eeyore Tattoo]

As sweet as it would be to be poetic in your justice, on this one I would be much more apt to get Orange County involved, have her arrested, get her information for later, get pictures of your toes a couple days later, medical treatment, and a couple hundred K for pain and suffering, with Disney banning her just for added effect. :2fingers:

Stupid me! I didn't get her busted! :handcuff: Dang-it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:bikehit:
Deb

[Big Wallaby]

Well, next time you'll remember.

[leftcoaster]

As sweet as it would be to be poetic in your justice, on this one I would be much more apt to get Orange County involved, have her arrested, get her information for later, get pictures of your toes a couple days later, medical treatment, and a couple hundred K for pain and suffering, with Disney banning her just for added effect. :2fingers:

With a peticular Wombat as your lawyer ?

[Big Wallaby]

With a particular Wombat as your lawyer ?
Absolutely. Our Senior Marsupial deserves a cut.

[Zazu]

I would have done a Zazu on her. Popcorn and soda down her back.While I'm flattered that you would name a retaliation for me, that's really not what I consider an all-purpose response.

Backpack man spilled half my coffee, so I gave him the rest of it. (For newbies, I gave it by pouring it into his backpack.)

Now if the ECV woman attacked my feet, I'd make her walk. It would probably bother her a lot more than a wet backpack, and would be far more just.

It's all about justice and balancing the karma, not exacting cruel revenge.

... That's just a fringe benefit.

[Big Wallaby]

It's all about justice and balancing the karma, not exacting cruel revenge.

... That's just a fringe benefit.

I see nothing wrong with taking this lady's one-week vacation and extending it to at least a full month. Although, this new resort doesn't come with Extra Magic Hours... wait, it does... just not for her. :twisted:

[leftcoaster]

Now if the ECV woman attacked my feet, I'd make her walk. It would probably bother her a lot more than a wet backpack, and would be far more just.

It's all about justice and balancing the karma, not exacting cruel revenge.

... That's just a fringe benefit.

So what would have been a Zazu response ?

[Randy B]

New ECVs with keys that turn? How lame! That probably means no more red keys :(. Well there still has to be a way to disengage the brake on the back. Then you could push the SG into a dark corner and leave them there. I'd like to see them push the damn thing back and prove they didn't need the ECV in the first place.

The added bonus of taking the key away is that they technically have to return the key to get the deposit back. Unfortunately with all the spineless leads and managers at the Stroller Shop, I never saw a lead keep a deposit if a SG made enough fuss about it.

My first thought about the "neutral" lever ran along these lines. Neutral, then a long steeply slope, ending in the castle moat if possible. Or possibly guide the ECV towards Main St where it can happen to get one rear wheel going over the curb and getting hung up. At several hundred pounds of machinery it would be difficult to make it move anwhere when one rear wheel is off the ground and the rear of the vehicle is supported by the gear box between the wheels on the curb edge.

Personally if I was one (or with one) of the people injured by this inconciderate driver I would have made damn sure the perpetrator was detained or at least identified for the resulting assault charge and law suit for medical costs (and I would have made sure there were MANY of those). And since it sounded like there were several such injuries Each case would be an additional assault charge and a seperate damage recovery.

I am suprized that there isn't (apparently) some statement in the lease agreement that cautions the leaser of consequences of reckless driving or responsabilities for injuries. Even if you rent a bicycle at FtW you have to sign a lease with such resumption of responsabilities. The potential for injury to bystanders is MUCH less for a 50 lb bike than a 300 lb ECV. I could understand if an inadvertant accident happened, but leaving a wake of injuries is grounds for reckless driving. IMHO

Randy

[SRT_GB]

I am suprized that there isn't (apparently) some statement in the lease agreement that cautions the leaser of consequences of reckless driving or responsabilities for injuries. Even if you rent a bicycle at FtW you have to sign a lease with such resumption of responsabilities. The potential for injury to bystanders is MUCH less for a 50 lb bike than a 300 lb ECV. I could understand if an inadvertant accident happened, but leaving a wake of injuries is grounds for reckless driving. IMHO
There used to be a contract that had to be signed when renting an ECV that basically released Disney from liability in the event of an accident and had the renter agree that they were over 18 and nobody under 18 would be allowed to ride or drive the ECV. Disney corporate legal requires that the Stroller Shop keep these contracts on file for 3 years.

Did anybody actually read those contracts? Nope. We actually had CMs go through each contract during our dead time before opening and highlight the last two paragraphs that said "nobody under 18 on the ECV." Whenever I saw an SG on an ECV with a child on their lap, I would tell them that the child wasn't allowed per the contract they signed. Of course their reaction was "I didn't know that!"

Some days when I was bored I would go through those contracts and highlight words like "death", "dismemberment", "broken bones", etc. just to see if anyone was paying attention. Nobody ever said anything in the 3 years that I did that. :banghead:

I'm now reminded of a guest whose 8 year old daughter was run over by an ECV guest and had to be taken to the hospital. The father came to us the next day and was very civil, understood that it was the SG's fault, not ours, and wanted some more info on ECVs. I'm sure he was looking for information with which to file a lawsuit against the SG. We gave him a copy of the ECV contract and allowed him to take photographs of the ECVs. Never heard the outcome of that one, though.

[Princess Susi]

While I'm flattered that you would name a retaliation for me, that's really not what I consider an all-purpose response.

Backpack man spilled half my coffee, so I gave him the rest of it. (For newbies, I gave it by pouring it into his backpack.)

Now if the ECV woman attacked my feet, I'd make her walk. It would probably bother her a lot more than a wet backpack, and would be far more just.

It's all about justice and balancing the karma, not exacting cruel revenge.

... That's just a fringe benefit.

He was a cruel man...but fair!:hysteria:
J/K
soosie doosie

[Cheshire Figment]

I have never accidentally run into anyone with my ECV at the parks. I have, at times stopped and had people walk directly into me.

I have, at times, run over people's toes. But my ECV is a three-wheeler and that means they had to be so close that they got their foot under my back wheel.

[Randy B]

I have never accidentally run into anyone with my ECV at the parks. I have, at times stopped and had people walk directly into me.

I have, at times, run over people's toes. But my ECV is a three-wheeler and that means they had to be so close that they got their foot under my back wheel.

And from reading your postings, I bet that even tho the injury was not your fault you immediately stopped to express your concern. But the OP mentioned hearing the SG approaching as there was a trail of guests voicing their pain and dismay as multiple people were being injured along the path. Obviously the SG did not stop or even acknowledge that they had caused any distress to those in their path. That is what, IMHO, turned the incident from an accidental event into a criminal assault.

Randy

[Randy B]

Did anybody actually read those contracts? Nope. We actually had CMs go through each contract during our dead time before opening and highlight the last two paragraphs that said "nobody under 18 on the ECV." Whenever I saw an SG on an ECV with a child on their lap, I would tell them that the child wasn't allowed per the contract they signed. Of course their reaction was "I didn't know that!"

Yep. Over at FtW when the rental agreement for the golf carts is signed, the CM specifically points out and stresses the points about no unlicensed drivers, and that any damage will be the responsability of the renter. But anyone can sit almost anywhere and spot a dozen 4 and 5 yearold drivers in well under a half hour. And without fail when a cart has to be fished out of a canal the renter tries to get out of the damage charge by saying that it was stolen. But the cart being fished out always mysteriously has the key in the slot. And these keys ARE unique to each cart (or close enough to be unique). So either the cart was left unattended with the key in it and thus the damage was due to negligence of the renter, or the cart was taken with permission and damaged by someone trying to drive where they are not supposed to. Either way the charges can be rather high.

I also noticed durring my recent trip that there is a much higher incidence of obvious patrolling by the local Sheriff officers. And they WILL give tickets to underage, unlicensed drivers and that ticket carries the same weight as if they were driving a car on the highway. This can even make it difficult for some young people to get a license when they DO become old enough. And how much do you want to bet that almost every one of the parents say the same thing when confronted by the sheriff. "But officer, I didn't know that it was illegal for my child to drive a golf cart."

Randy

[Shorty82]

Talking about fishing golf carts out of canals...

On my trip in July we stayed at Port Orleans: Riverside and one time as we were walking from the lobby to our room in the Mansions we saw a crowd of people looking at something from the bridge. We look and see that someone had driven a golf cart off of the path and into the river. As these golf carts are only used by cast members I assume that it was a CM that did it. You would expect a CM given a golf cart to drive would know how to drive it.

I don't know what happened after that except that a little while later the cart was out of the water and gone. I guess it could have been stolen by a guest and taken for a joyride or maybe the driver was trying to avoid a SG who stepped in front of the cart. Either way a golf cart wound up in the river.

Once it hit the river bank I could see being unable to stop the golf cart, at this section the bank was grass and had a good slope to it and I doubt a golf cart could get enough traction to make it up that hill from a stand-still, let alone stop any forward momentum down the hill.

[Theme Park Where]

You would expect a CM given a golf cart to drive would know how to drive it.

You would think so, wouldn't you. Of course, my first time driving one was rather an experience. We had the golf trolleys at Grand Floridian, which were considerably larger than a regular golf cart, and I'd never driven a cart before, big or small. I was a concierge, and was asked to drive some guests to their building since the bellmen were all busy. I met them out back in the trolley, trying to look like I knew what I was doing. Turns out the guests were N'Sync. They made fun of me the whole trip, because I drove like a little old lady on Sunday. Every time a bellman would come down the path from the other direction, I'd get nervous and swerve way over (mostly because the bellmen drove those things like Indy race cars). I almost (I stress almost) ended up in the same situation as the cart at PO. To this day my claim to fame is nearly drowning N'Sync in a golf cart in the Grand Floridian swimming pool!

[DisneyMom]

Great Story! Them Park Where.

[Big Wallaby]

I have, at times, run over people's toes.The difference is that when someone's walking, their foot is flat on the ground. If you get your toes run over that way, it smarts a bit, but there's no real harm done. The way I envisioned it in the original post, if you're sitting on the ground, your foot is sticking up in the air with nothing supporting it, that is when the bones of your foot would be most subject to breaking.


To this day my claim to fame is nearly drowning N'Sync in a golf cart in the Grand Floridian swimming pool!

Pardon me for wishing you had. :p:

I can't stand when I am coming around a bend at one of the larger resorts, or when I am driving the Woods buses and there is a golf cart or Pargo taking up the entire road. At FtW, I know they are told to get out of the way of the buses, and about half the time they don't. So there's the person on the back, waving at me, with me "waving" toward the side of the road, and they're laughing because they're stopping a bus. Then you get the ones in the large resorts carrying 16 housekeepers, the person driving doesn't have a clue that there's a bus behind them, topping out at ten miles an hour, and I'm not allowed to pass. About that time, I hear guests talking about the nice bowling pin ahead of us. :twisted:

[BRWombat]

To this day my claim to fame is nearly drowning N'Sync in a golf cart in the Grand Floridian swimming pool!Think how famous you'd be if you'd actually drowned them!

[gurgi]

i think id have fun with it. grab a glove (or stand in) and slap her in the face. scream out "we challenge you to a duel!" get rental ECV's for everyone with swollen toes, grab some sort of flagpole or equivalent, and take turns jousting the unarmed moron.

then of course. tie her up on the train tracks like an old movie.

ok fine. thats a little silly. i vote for cow tipping.

[Eeyore Tattoo]

i think id have fun with it. grab a glove (or stand in) and slap her in the face. scream out "we challenge you to a duel!" get rental ECV's for everyone with swollen toes, grab some sort of flagpole or equivalent, and take turns jousting the unarmed moron.

then of course. tie her up on the train tracks like an old movie.

ok fine. thats a little silly. i vote for cow tipping.

I like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Deb

[felinefan]

Everybody should have grabbed their cameras and blinded her with the flash, while taking video of the carnage, and turning it over to the cops. If those rentals have numbers on them, someone should've gotten the number of the ECV, gone to the Stroller Shop and asked for the info of who rented that ECV, and tracked her down that way, assuming enough info is on the contract. Verbal assault also comes to mind--usually I don't like name-calling, especially to a person of size, but I think she would have deserved it in this case ("You fat biotch, watch where you're going! I'll sue you!" "Hey somebody, tip the cow on the ECV!" etc., etc.) . If the label fits, I say slap it on. I would've grabbed her by the hair and screamed in her face. And I would've been screaming for security while I was at it. But as they say, hindsight is always 20/20.

[vixen101485]

I say line up small rocks so that she has to run over them all causing a very bumpy ride which in turn just totally throws her off balance on the thing thereby causing her to tip so no actual cow tipping is necessary. This way we are exonerated of any and all physical contact saving us lots of Wombat lawyer fees for assult and battery (is that the right terms?) Once she is down on the ground tho she is fair game for all the strollers to just run over her numerous times. Then we can turn loose all the little brats (and adults) who dont understand the concept of a public bathroom and consider the whole world their very own potty. After that I am sure the folks at the Triple D Ranch (is it still called that?) wouldnt mind contributing a few "supplies" Then we send over the Brazilian tours so they can chant over and over directly in her ear. Then have a whole bunch of stupid guests ask her lots and lots of dumb questions ...is the sky blue? what time is the 3 oclock parade? are you really a woman or just an escaped freak from the circus?..etc. Then we can all cut in front of her as she slowly (she is in a daze at this point) tries to crawl away.

OK I feel better now...I was ticked off still and she seemed like a good scapegoat.

[Big Wallaby]

I've been thinking about this...

Wombat, need a professional opinion. Yes, I know it comes from Texas where more common sense is used in law than elsewhere (you know, where if someone is breaking into your home and endangering you, it's okay to , ya know, shoot them), but I'm curious: If, as she's going over your toes, you manage to tip her, wouldn't you be all but immune from her lawsuit because you were acting out of surprise and protecting yourself (she's already smashed one foot, you're saving the other) if you can push her well enough to knock her out of the seat? I remember precedent in some Federal case where there was a difference made between freedom of speech and "fighting words" whereby if someone said the wrong words and got beat up for it, they had it coming... how much more if you can prove they're causing you injury? If my reasoning is sound, then I think there's a lot you can get away with before security gets there. I say a good tackling is in order, such that you knock her over AND land on her. And if that someone that happens to land on her is 250+ lbs like me, that's her own darn fault.

If self defense is not enough, then how about the fact you're defending others, because once she's knocked over, she can't hurt anyone else?

Again, if my reasoning is sound (and I don't expect Wombat to be an expert on Florida law, where sometimes common sense is the rule of the day and sometimes it's quite obviously scorned), then you are fairly immune in anything you have to do to stop her. And, of course, if she fights back... :rolleyes:

[leftcoaster]

I've been thinking about this...

Wombat, need a professional opinion. Yes, I know it comes from Texas where more common sense is used in law than elsewhere (you know, where if someone is breaking into your home and endangering you, it's okay to , ya know, shoot them), but I'm curious: If, as she's going over your toes, you manage to tip her, wouldn't you be all but immune from her lawsuit because you were acting out of surprise and protecting yourself (she's already smashed one foot, you're saving the other)

Florida has a "protect your ground" law - which means you can shoot to kill someone who you perceive to be a danger to you or to someone else. Since she is running over your feet, and you perceive her to be planning to run over someone else's feet, it's reasonable that you could shoot her to end your misery as well as everyone else's. Since children go to WDW, you have to presume that children are in the park. Therefore you have to presume that there are children close by, and you have to presume that this wacko will not stop to avoid children. These children could potentially be seriously injured, maimed, or even KILLED if this wacko runs over them.

So I say, shoot to kill!

http://www.alternet.org/story/59584/

[Princess Susi]

Yeah! Shoot to kill! Then shoot the damn tires out on the ECV as well! I like this law!
susi

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

I like the idea of finding the "kill" or neutral switch! Can you guess what would happen if she was suddenly stopped in the crowd that she had ran over!!

[Cheshire Figment]

Florida has a "protect your ground" law - which means you can shoot to kill someone who you perceive to be a danger to you or to someone else.
So I say, shoot to kill!
The problem with this is you will probably get a lifetime ban from Disney properties since you will have brought a gun into one of the parks.
Yeah! Shoot to kill! Then shoot the damn tires out on the ECV as well! I like this law!
susi
Most ECVs nowadays have tires with foam interiors so you cannot get flat tires. I know when I have had tires replaced on mine they have been replaced with the new ones, so I can't get flat tires any more.

And see my above comment.

[BRWombat]

In general, even self-defense laws require a proportionate response -- in other words, you're not likely to get away with use of deadly force in response to flattened toes. In any case, there's very little that can make you immune from a lawsuit. You might have a defense, but as a practical matter you'd still have to go through defending yourself if sued. Whether your use of force constitutes self-defense will be a fact question, meaning you couldn't get the lawsuit thrown out on that basis. So... you can defend yourself if necessary (within the bounds of the laws in your area), but don't think it won't keep you from a legal hassle.

Forgive me for being lawyerly, but since I'm dispensing legal advice in a public forum, I need to protect myself with a disclaimer: The above is offered free of charge and is worth about that much. I am only licensed to practice in Texas and certain Federal trial and appellate courts and agencies, am not certified in any specialty area of law beyond patent law and may or may not know what I'm talking about here. And even if I did, that doesn't mean it applies to you in your particular situation or location. Follow this advice at your own risk!

[leftcoaster]

I like the idea of finding the "kill" or neutral switch! Can you guess what would happen if she was suddenly stopped in the crowd that she had ran over!!

Sort of like what sometimes happens to a mugger who grabs a purse from an old lady in a crowded area ? :twisted:

The problem with this is you will probably get a lifetime ban from Disney properties since you will have brought a gun into one of the parks.



*point to previous post that has tongue firmly planted in cheek. ;)

[Princess Susi]

In general, even self-defense laws require a proportionate response -- in other words, you're not likely to get away with use of deadly force in response to flattened toes. In any case, there's very little that can make you immune from a lawsuit. You might have a defense, but as a practical matter you'd still have to go through defending yourself if sued. Whether your use of force constitutes self-defense will be a fact question, meaning you couldn't get the lawsuit thrown out on that basis. So... you can defend yourself if necessary (within the bounds of the laws in your area), but don't think it won't keep you from a legal hassle.


HUH?????????? What did you just say????? I hear this noise that sounds like the teachers voice on Charlie Brown cartoons whenever I hear a lawyer speak...:hysteria:
J/K
susi

[Princess Susi]

The problem with this is you will probably get a lifetime ban from Disney properties since you will have brought a gun into one of the parks.

Most ECVs nowadays have tires with foam interiors so you cannot get flat tires. I know when I have had tires replaced on mine they have been replaced with the new ones, so I can't get flat tires any more.

And see my above comment.


Definitely just kidding about shooting someone...:)
I did not know that the ECVs had foam tires.
susi

[DisneyMom]

HUH?????????? What did you just say????? I hear this noise that sounds like the teachers voice on Charlie Brown cartoons whenever I hear a lawyer speak...:hysteria:
J/K


Susi, I think it's Lawyer Talk for "Smack her upside the head with a turkey leg then run like hell!":rolleyes::D:

[leftcoaster]

Susi, I think it's Lawyer Talk for "Smack her upside the head with a turkey leg then run like hell!":rolleyes::D:She's in a ECV. How fast do you need to go to get away from her?

*cues up Seinfeld episode.

[Randy B]

She's in a ECV. How fast do you need to go to get away from her?

*cues up Seinfeld episode.Just like the two guys crossing a bull's pasture. You don't need to outrun the bull, just your companion. :D:

Randy

[DisneyMom]

She's in a ECV. How fast do you need to go to get away from her?

*cues up Seinfeld episode.

Well, the problem is that my run is not very fast, and I'd be running away from any witnesses, not her!:p:

[Big Wallaby]

Whether your use of force constitutes self-defense will be a fact question, meaning you couldn't get the lawsuit thrown out on that basis.

So what I hear you saying is to make sure and get plenty of witnesses.

Also, I never said I would condone use of deadly force... but unfortunately, I am pretty sure mob rule would win at that point.

Defend yourself, and get security involved as quickly as possible.

[drcorey]

Smashed Toes?
sounds like a musical group.

[Randy B]

Smashed Toes?
sounds like a musical group.

The OP never mentioned if the screams of pain were in multi part harmony or not. So it may or may not be. :D:

Randy

[Big Wallaby]

Screams of Pain: Their freshman CD. :D:

[Eeyore Tattoo]

:D:
You all are cracking me up......
Being a Texas resident I have seen a lot of people shooting first and asking questions last recently..
I don't think smashed toes warrant a shooting, Just a thrashing..
Deb

[Big Wallaby]

My favorite is still the old lady with her daughter or granddaughter on the phone with 9-1-1, and grandma is shooting a would-be burglar.

[TalkingHands]

I have never accidentally run into anyone with my ECV at the parks. I have, at times stopped and had people walk directly into me.

I have, at times, run over people's toes. But my ECV is a three-wheeler and that means they had to be so close that they got their foot under my back wheel.
Same here. I have run over toes but only when someone has abruptly cut me off without warning or walked so close to the chair that their foot
got under my wheel. Oh, my free wheel switch isn't in the back on my chair. It is actually 2 levers on the front of the chair. Another way to get run over with a PWC is to walk to close on the controller side and hit the controller with your bag or hand. Since I normally do not have my full hand over the controller it can easily happen. Careful of left handed controllers. :)

[TalkingHands]

She's in a ECV. How fast do you need to go to get away from her?

*cues up Seinfeld episode.

more than 4 1/2 mph if she is in a offsite rental. Less then that if it is a Disney rental. Personal ECV or PWC depends on the vehicle. Mine goes 6mph at rabbit speed which I rarely use.

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

more than 4 1/2 mph if she is in a offsite rental. Less then that if it is a Disney rental. Personal ECV or PWC depends on the vehicle. Mine goes 6mph at rabbit speed which I rarely use.

Is that the ECV equivalent of going to Warp? hehehe

[Randy B]

more than 4 1/2 mph if she is in a offsite rental. Less then that if it is a Disney rental. Personal ECV or PWC depends on the vehicle. Mine goes 6mph at rabbit speed which I rarely use.

All I can think of is the Paul Newman chase scene in "Silent Movie". 4 people in high speed electric wheel chairs. Gotta love Mel Brooks.

Randy

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

All I can think of is the Paul Newman chase scene in "Silent Movie". 4 people in high speed electric wheel chairs. Gotta love Mel Brooks.

Randy

But can they jump gaps like the movie???

[Randy B]

But can they jump gaps like the movie???

Suddenly I predict the first annual SGT wheelchair race. Chairs with the front wheels 20' out front, a huge nitro-burning engine, chrome pipes extending up behind the seat (throwing flame), and a drag chute. Oh, and Darph's chair has enough cup holders on the arm rests to hold more than one 6-pack.:D:

Randy

[Big Wallaby]

Suddenly I predict the first annual SGT wheelchair race. Chairs with the front wheels 20' out front, a huge nitro-burning engine, chrome pipes extending up behind the seat (throwing flame), and a drag chute.

Hear, hear!

[Randy B]

Hear, hear!

What do you think. Best time from 192 to the toll plaza down World Drive? And the SGs who are lost will add a bit of obstacle course excitement. Should we warn the bus drivers other than Cran? We won't have to warn Cran because he'll be one of the racers, right?

And BW, wheelchairs only, not Safari trucks. But after the race is over you could always use one of the engines to upgrade the trucks. You could set a new land/speed record for the fast part of the tour. :D:

Randy

[Kwahati]

They've gone plaid!:D:

[Big Wallaby]

And BW, wheelchairs only, not Safari trucks.Dang it. Wait... the way those trucks are governed, the wheelchairs would probably win.

I am having visions now from Home Improvement, with the race on Tool Time between Tim and Bob Villa.

They've gone plaid!:D: :hysteria:

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

Or the movie "Death race 2000" Extra points for the young(sg's), because they can run faster!!

[darph nader]

Or the movie "Death race 2000" Extra points for the young(sg's), because they can run faster!!

LOVE that movie.:cool:

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

Especially the "hand" gernade, and a very young stallone!

[Zazu]

Suddenly I predict the first annual SGT wheelchair race. Chairs with the front wheels 20' out front, a huge nitro-burning engine, chrome pipes extending up behind the seat (throwing flame), and a drag chute. Oh, and Darph's chair has enough cup holders on the arm rests to hold more than one 6-pack.:D:Congratulations. You've just described as accurately as a photograph the chairs of the rooting section of every wheelchair basketball team I've ever seen.

[jlowejd5]

Forgive me for being lawyerly, but since I'm dispensing legal advice in a public forum, I need to protect myself with a disclaimer: The above is offered free of charge and is worth about that much. I am only licensed to practice in Texas and certain Federal trial and appellate courts and agencies, am not certified in any specialty area of law beyond patent law and may or may not know what I'm talking about here. And even if I did, that doesn't mean it applies to you in your particular situation or location. Follow this advice at your own risk!

As a fellow barrister (and only a bare-ass-ter after a couple of drinks), that made me giggle.

The wife and I were in Cosmic Ray's last December, and shooting through the restaurant was an old guy in an ECV pulling along his older wife in a regular wheelchair. She's hanging onto the back of his seat for dear life, and he's got it floored. I had a tray full of chicken fingers, so the wife grabs my camera and gets one grainy shot just as they slam through the doors to the outside.

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

As a fellow barrister (and only a bare-ass-ter after a couple of drinks), that made me giggle.

The wife and I were in Cosmic Ray's last December, and shooting through the restaurant was an old guy in an ECV pulling along his older wife in a regular wheelchair. She's hanging onto the back of his seat for dear life, and he's got it floored. I had a tray full of chicken fingers, so the wife grabs my camera and gets one grainy shot just as they slam through the doors to the outside.


You have to post it!!! Come on!!!! Its the Holidays!!!

[Kwahati]

You have to post it!!! Come on!!!! Its the Holidays!!!

Oh! An SGT! Thank you so much! It's just what I wanted! :D:

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

Oh! An SGT! Thank you so much! It's just what I wanted! :D:

Well we NEED examples of SG's to generally make US feel better! (hence the discussion board) Otherwise we'll start the 2x4 upside the head trick when we encounter them!!

[TalkingHands]

Is that the ECV equivalent of going to Warp? hehehe
First of all I do not use an ECV but a PWC (power wheelchair) And that is not even close. I know of several PWC that go at speeeds up to 12 miles per hour.:eek:

[Big Wallaby]

I know of several PWC that go at speeeds up to 12 miles per hour.:eek:

That's fast enough to beat my safari truck out of dual speed any day of the week.

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

That's fast enough to beat my safari truck out of dual speed any day of the week.

But is it faster than a Bongo?

[hobie16]

But is it faster than a Bongo?
Michael Richards, playing Dick on Fridays, got Bongo from Valerie Bertinelli. Is it the same thing?

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

no..these fly and shoot quills!!!

[hobie16]

no..these fly and shoot quills!!!


Valerie's was funnier.

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

Hmmm.. not so sure!!

[Eeyore Tattoo]

We got home Monday from a quick trip to WDW.. I was on my trusty small ECV when I got to run over a moron:D:
This guy was walking beside my DH & me for quite a while. He know I was there and even made eye contact a few times. He walked right into me because he wasn't watching where he was going and didn't see the path narrow.. Oops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:twisted: Watch the road!:eek:
Deb

[Princess Susi]

And then of course this guy goes to Board X and posts how HE got run over by the ECV!:rolleyes: That is how it happens every time.:mad:

On another note: I may need to rent the chair this trip at DL :( It will be the first time I ever have needed a chair there. My back is not doing so well this weekend, and I cannot imagine, even 4 hour days walking the Park, let alone the day of our tour which will be a VERY LONG day!!!! In order to beat the gate closing when the Park reaches capacity and it does at Christmas, we will have to be there early and our tour is not until 4PM.

I hope I do NOT sound like an SG here, but, I am wondering if any DL CMs here know if Guest Relations or Front Gate CM's can issue some sort of pass for us to enter the Park later in the day just for our tour, if the gates do close due to capacity. We do NOT have PAPs yet, we bought the Disney travel pkg again, thought we might buy them this trip before we leave. I understand that they continue to allow PAPs to enter UP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT even if the gates close, because they allow for a certain number of Annual Pass holders, along with regular gate admission tickets. Then, once the Park reaches capacity with every type of ticket, it closes to everyone. Is this correct? I have heard this is how admission works on capacity days. This could be very wrong, but this is how I understood it from a CM once upon a time. (a while ago, when I asked about capacity...)

I am not sure I can make the whole day without lying down for a couple hours. My spine can't take it. I can only go for about 2 hours here and when we came last year, I could double that time at sea level. I think the air pressure at elevation plays havoc with my bad disk and the arthritic joint that needs to be fixed.:( This is not making me smile, though the thought of getting out of here and into Disneyland for a week is:D:
If we have to be there early and stay, so be it, I will rent a chair, no problem and we will make it through the day. If we CAN find some type of pass that will just get us to the tour in the afternoon, after lying down for a couple of hours after spending time with the DisneyMom family in the morning, that would be great!
I am so looking forward to meeting everyone and being in my happy place for a week.. Only 4 more days!!!!! Cannot come soon enough for me!!!!!!!
susi:p:

[Eeyore Tattoo]

And then of course this guy goes to Board X and posts how HE got run over by the ECV!:rolleyes: That is how it happens every time.:mad:

On another note: I may need to rent the chair this trip at DL :( It will be the first time I ever have needed a chair there. My back is not doing so well this weekend, and I cannot imagine, even 4 hour days walking the Park, let alone the day of our tour which will be a VERY LONG day!!!! In order to beat the gate closing when the Park reaches capacity and it does at Christmas, we will have to be there early and our tour is not until 4PM.

I hope I do NOT sound like an SG here, but, I am wondering if any DL CMs here know if Guest Relations or Front Gate CM's can issue some sort of pass for us to enter the Park later in the day just for our tour, if the gates do close due to capacity. We do NOT have PAPs yet, we bought the Disney travel pkg again, thought we might buy them this trip before we leave. I understand that they continue to allow PAPs to enter UP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT even if the gates close, because they allow for a certain number of Annual Pass holders, along with regular gate admission tickets. Then, once the Park reaches capacity with every type of ticket, it closes to everyone. Is this correct? I have heard this is how admission works on capacity days. This could be very wrong, but this is how I understood it from a CM once upon a time. (a while ago, when I asked about capacity...)

I am not sure I can make the whole day without lying down for a couple hours. My spine can't take it. I can only go for about 2 hours here and when we came last year, I could double that time at sea level. I think the air pressure at elevation plays havoc with my bad disk and the arthritic joint that needs to be fixed.:( This is not making me smile, though the thought of getting out of here and into Disneyland for a week is:D:
If we have to be there early and stay, so be it, I will rent a chair, no problem and we will make it through the day. If we CAN find some type of pass that will just get us to the tour in the afternoon, after lying down for a couple of hours after spending time with the DisneyMom family in the morning, that would be great!
I am so looking forward to meeting everyone and being in my happy place for a week.. Only 4 more days!!!!! Cannot come soon enough for me!!!!!!!
susi:p:

If you just want a wheel chair, You can get one free at the main desk of your resort.. If you plan on renting a ECV I would go with a off site, They are smaller and easier to use..
Deb

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

And then of course this guy goes to Board X and posts how HE got run over by the ECV!:rolleyes: That is how it happens every time.:mad:

On another note: I may need to rent the chair this trip at DL :( It will be the first time I ever have needed a chair there. My back is not doing so well this weekend, and I cannot imagine, even 4 hour days walking the Park, let alone the day of our tour which will be a VERY LONG day!!!! In order to beat the gate closing when the Park reaches capacity and it does at Christmas, we will have to be there early and our tour is not until 4PM.

I hope I do NOT sound like an SG here, but, I am wondering if any DL CMs here know if Guest Relations or Front Gate CM's can issue some sort of pass for us to enter the Park later in the day just for our tour, if the gates do close due to capacity. We do NOT have PAPs yet, we bought the Disney travel pkg again, thought we might buy them this trip before we leave. I understand that they continue to allow PAPs to enter UP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT even if the gates close, because they allow for a certain number of Annual Pass holders, along with regular gate admission tickets. Then, once the Park reaches capacity with every type of ticket, it closes to everyone. Is this correct? I have heard this is how admission works on capacity days. This could be very wrong, but this is how I understood it from a CM once upon a time. (a while ago, when I asked about capacity...)

I am not sure I can make the whole day without lying down for a couple hours. My spine can't take it. I can only go for about 2 hours here and when we came last year, I could double that time at sea level. I think the air pressure at elevation plays havoc with my bad disk and the arthritic joint that needs to be fixed.:( This is not making me smile, though the thought of getting out of here and into Disneyland for a week is:D:
If we have to be there early and stay, so be it, I will rent a chair, no problem and we will make it through the day. If we CAN find some type of pass that will just get us to the tour in the afternoon, after lying down for a couple of hours after spending time with the DisneyMom family in the morning, that would be great!
I am so looking forward to meeting everyone and being in my happy place for a week.. Only 4 more days!!!!! Cannot come soon enough for me!!!!!!!
susi:p:

Could you go to the first aid facilities and lie down there, without leaving the park? I know from an unfortuniate experience that they have pretty good facilities and I believe have nurse's on duty there. Avoid leaving the park?

[hobie16]

This may be heresy but why don't you take a good book with you? Find a shady spot, take a load off and read. You may get some strange looks but who cares!

[DisneyMom]

Could you go to the first aid facilities and lie down there, without leaving the park? I know from an unfortuniate experience that they have pretty good facilities and I believe have nurse's on duty there. Avoid leaving the park?

Actually, back pain is a GOOD reason to rest, I'm sure they could let you, somehow(I wouldn't mind seeing that facility btw)

[Princess Susi]

Could you go to the first aid facilities and lie down there, without leaving the park? I know from an unfortuniate experience that they have pretty good facilities and I believe have nurse's on duty there. Avoid leaving the park?
That might be an idea. Sitting down does not help much. I have to take the weight off my back and my head weighs too much for it to help my back...;) Actually lying down is mandatory for any relief. Sitting just keeps the pressure on my back! I will check into that! Ralphie could go have *man* fun while I rest! (POTC over and over is *man* fun for Ralphie....)

This may be heresy but why don't you take a good book with you? Find a shady spot, take a load off and read. You may get some strange looks but who cares!
You know we always carry a good book with us into the Park, always have. Sometimes you just want to sit and read and from time to time and then people watch! Not heresy, not if it is a book about Disney!;)

Actually, back pain is a GOOD reason to rest, I'm sure they could let you, somehow(I wouldn't mind seeing that facility btw)
I will definitely check that out! Could be a good *backstage tour for you Disneymom, being a nurse. I was at the one in WDW once for an arm sling. I had broken my wrist a few months before and it did not heal right, so I needed a slling to keep it elevated. Nice First Aid at Magic Kingdom at WDW!
All our WDW trip pics show me in my wrist brace!:(

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

That might be an idea. Sitting down does not help much. I have to take the weight off my back and my head weighs too much for it to help my back...;) Actually lying down is mandatory for any relief. Sitting just keeps the pressure on my back! I will check into that! Ralphie could go have *man* fun while I rest! (POTC over and over is *man* fun for Ralphie....)


You know we always carry a good book with us into the Park, always have. Sometimes yo just want to sit and read and from time to time people watch! Not heresy, not if it is a book about Disney!;)


I will definitely check that out! Could be a good *backstage tour for you Disneymom, being a nurse. I was at the one in WDW once for an arm sling. I had broken my wrist a few months before and it did not heal right, so I needed a slling to keep it elevated. Nice First Aid at Magic Kingdom at WDW!
All our WDW trip pics show me in my wrist brace!:(

It could be your "Theme" "WDW and DLR in a sling" makes a good book title!

[Princess Susi]

If you just want a wheel chair, You can get one free at the main desk of your resort.. If you plan on renting a ECV I would go with a off site, They are smaller and easier to use..
Deb
At DL too? I could get a wheelchair at Disneyland Hotel? Or maybe I should just get one off site for the whole week. I don't want to hurt anyone, I have NEVER used an ECV before and I certainly would not want to test my skills at it at Disneyland during Christmas!:eek::eek::eek: MadWoman on a scooter on the loose!!!!!:twisted: maybe I will rent one here sometime and get used to driving one before my next trip. But that is hopefully not gonna have to happen if my new docs can help me. Oh please be able to help me......
Three steroid shots first, then surgery if they don't work, disk replacement and a scraping out of the SI joint of all the arthritic bone. That is what 2008 holds for Susi....But if it makes me walk again for longer than an hour at atime without lying down, it is worth it. If it does not help, I am strong enought to live with whatever GOD gives me.:)
Disneyland, here we come!!!!!!

[Princess Susi]

It could be your "Theme" "WDW and DLR in a sling" makes a good book title!
You are right! I will start that book today! It could be a book of silly poetry to go with the pics!;)
susi

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

You are right! I will start that book today! It could be a book of silly poetry to go with the pics!;)
susi

Plus..you could write off the trips as "research" Hmm?

[Big Wallaby]

I know they will let you go to First Aid and lie down for mild heat stroke, so a more long-term medical condition, I am sure they will let you lie down so you can continue your day there.

In DAKlimation today (orientation at DAK), one thing they mentioned that I thought might be of interest to you, they have seven full-time vets, so I would imagine they have need for vet technicians. I'd love it if you worked over in that department, then I'd have a contact to go shadow for a day! Woohoo!

[mechurchlady]

Figment, Talking Hands, Wallaby and I are members of www.disboards.com and Susi you got to go check out their disabilities board. They can tell you which companies are best for renting chairs. You can get one delivered to your hotel thus saving you time and stress. Instead of the hike from the tram you can just wheel away and save yourself for walking into restaurants and shops. I do not go to the rest of the board often but there are swell people who can make your life a lot easier in parks. It is the only park related board beside this one that I go to now a days.

[Shorty82]

I'm also a member over there and the disABILITIES board is one of the few I visit. Actually I haven't visited the dis in a while and need to go back and get caught up.

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

I also go there, from time to time, mostly to stir up the hornets!
hehehe

[Cranbiz]

I too, go there. I actually try to help the SG's there. I'll post until someone pisses me off, then I'll leave for a while.

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

When you go there, does everyone use a different name?

[Shorty82]

When you go there, does everyone use a different name?

Some do, some don't. I use the same nick over there and I know some other SGTers do too. Others use a different nick there.

[Cranbiz]

I don't. I'm cranbiz on every board I belong to. It's easier on my feeble mind. :D:

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

Me too, but I have quit some that are just too silly!

[Big Wallaby]

I have two names that I use... one for boards like this one, and one for boards where I don't want to ruin the magic for people who might look up my name and find it in places like this. However, you can usually recognize me from my writing style (read: long-winded) anywhere else. If you want to know my name other places, look at talkdisney.com and find the "New CM Saga" thread. That's my story. I know I've mentioned it here, but I do so again so as to say my name on other boards without saying my other name :D:.

For those who know me, they'll realize this screen name is actually much closer to my RL name than I would have ever planned if I had thought about it. No, my first name isn't Big and my last isn't Wallaby.

[Cranbiz]

Why do you give me a perfect setup??

I"m too nice a guy to respond the way I really want to.



Actually, I'm not too nice but BW is so he's getting a pass on this one.

[Big Wallaby]

Ah, go for it, Cranbiz. We're all friends here. Well, most of us, anyway... :D:

Of course I include you in that list.

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

say It....say It....

[Eeyore Tattoo]

Figment, Talking Hands, Wallaby and I are members of www.disboards.com and Susi you got to go check out their disabilities board. They can tell you which companies are best for renting chairs. You can get one delivered to your hotel thus saving you time and stress. Instead of the hike from the tram you can just wheel away and save yourself for walking into restaurants and shops. I do not go to the rest of the board often but there are swell people who can make your life a lot easier in parks. It is the only park related board beside this one that I go to now a days.

I am on DIS too, as Haley Whippet..... I usually go to the Disabilities board too..

[Big Wallaby]

C'mon Cranbiz, I would do it for you :D:

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

I am on DIS too, as Haley Whippet..... I usually go to the Disabilities board too..

Nice name...Hmmm I wonder where that comes from.... (hehehe)

[Whazzup]

For those who know me, they'll realize this screen name is actually much closer to my RL name than I would have ever planned if I had thought about it.

Hey, BW, I never noticed that before but guess what - you're right!! :D:

[Big Wallaby]

I know I'm right. It's nice being right... most of the time...

[Kwahati]

For those who know me, they'll realize this screen name is actually much closer to my RL name than I would have ever planned if I had thought about it. No, my first name isn't Big and my last isn't Wallaby.

I didn't know that you *didn't* plan that. I thought that was totally intentional. :o:

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

I know I'm right. It's nice being right... most of the time...

Yeah..I have the same problem, except DW says its all of the time!! (hehehee)

[Big Wallaby]

Nah, it's not intentional. I just like wallabies. Wife and I want to get one someday.

[Cheshire Figment]

I'm on everything except eBay and UnDis as Cheshire Figment.

And Eeyore Tattoo's signature on DisBoards shows picture of a Whippet type dog named Haley.

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

I'm on everything except eBay and UnDis as Cheshire Figment.

And Eeyore Tattoo's signature on DisBoards shows picture of a Whippet type dog named Haley.

What is UnDis?

[Big Wallaby]

What is UnDis?I second that.

[Eeyore Tattoo]

I'm on everything except eBay and UnDis as Cheshire Figment.

And Eeyore Tattoo's signature on DisBoards shows picture of a Whippet type dog named Haley.

Yes, Miss Haley is my Whippet...
Deb

[Big Wallaby]

So where does Eeyore and a Tattoo come in?

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

So where does Eeyore and a Tattoo come in?

Do you have pictures of the tattoo you can post??? IF not, WHY not??
hehehehe

[Eeyore Tattoo]

So where does Eeyore and a Tattoo come in?

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i110/whippetsrus/familyfriendshaley450.jpg
This was taken right after Tink was added, It's all shiny from the antibiotic on it..

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i110/whippetsrus/familyfriendshaley450.jpg
This was taken right after Tink was added, It's all shiny from the antibiotic on it..

Are you going to change your name to "Eeyore Tinkerbell Tattoo"? Or ETT for short?

[wheelieman]

^ That is BEAUTIFUL work.

I use the same moniker for all of the theme park type boards Im on, and Daveinperris for anything else. Easy to remember.

BTOT, I use a powerchair now, which I love, but I used a 3 wheeled ecv before the PowerChair. I understand the that the people who just occasionally rent one at the parks have no idea what they are doing, and then there's people like my mother in law who own their own but still cant drive it any better than they drive their car. Not to brag, but I could do controlled wheelies and drive better than most people drive their cars. For me it was "no way am I going to put a scratch on this $5,000 scooter which is my lifeline for getting around. Now, with the powerchair, same thing. Luckily I am a pretty tall guy, 6'5" so I sit high on the chair, and it is hard to ignore me. But, you still get the occasional able bodied person who will walk right in front of you then stop, get hit and then act like it is my fault. I weigh 250 and the chair is at 250 lbs, to even in creep a long mode it is hard to stop on a dime.
Different topic, I love the way I am treated by you CMs. I have a good attitude and never complain about having to wait it out or go through the regular line. I do have issues with sitting up for a long time, because I have muscular dystrophy that affects my trunk muscles, but I gladly put up with the discomfort so as not to be a pain in the sphinkter. And you guys are always so accomodating, and you work so hard to make sure everyone gets the experience, you deserve a staning ovation. Thank you guys.

Dave

[Whazzup]

Yes, Miss Haley is my Whippet...
Deb

I've seen that on the DIS Boards. I've always wanted a Whippet but settled for Greyhounds. I'm Tikihula on the DIS Boards and Jitterjet on the PassPorter Boards but don't post often, mostly just read comments.

[drcorey]

whippet? whippet good.

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

Step on a crack....break you mother back....

[Big Wallaby]

Honestly, I wish the rental places had respect for their equipment, where if you scratch it up, you pay for the scratches so they look good going out. I love when loading a chair where the owner has done things to it to make it look good, like putting lights on the underside like some sports car drivers do to their car. To me, it says that 1) You're going to have a good attitude about it, 2) You're going to take care of your equipment, 3) You probably know how to get the thing where it needs to go, and 4) If you run over my toes, it's probably my own fault (unlike the bus driver who was strapping in a lady in an ECV, she broke his fingers because he was strapping her down and she moved, taking his fingers in an awkward position with her, then telling him he shouldn't have started doing his job yet :mad:). If you have your own equipment and it's in good condition, I am going to be more likely to assume you know what you're doing, so to strap you in I am going to trust you when you say it's better to hook in at point A than B.

When it comes to helping someone in a wheel chair that is not just doing it for convenience, I will always go over the top to help make your stay enjoyable. If you have to experience Main Street from butt level, then I'm going to make your time on my bus very nice.

If I still drove buses.

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

Honestly, I wish the rental places had respect for their equipment, where if you scratch it up, you pay for the scratches so they look good going out. Redacted . If I still drove buses.

They don't? I would think that it would be like when you rent a car, if it goes out o.k., and comes back dented/scratched/messy beyond normal use, you would have to pay!