You Made Us E - Stop the Attraction For THIS?!?!?

[DLRFantasmic!Dan]

This came off of Board X, I would like to share:

The guest was on Indy and lost her purse. She fought with the attractions CMs to get it off the tracks and lost, so she came to City Hall. She told us she needed it right now because she was diabetic and needed her insulin, which was in the purse. We told her we would do what we could, but that the soonest we MIGHT be able to get it to her would be about 45 minutes, b/c we would have to E-stop the attraction, evac everyone off, go through and find it, bring it to City Hall, ...the whole bit. She yelled at us that she needed it in the next 5 minutes. We went around and around with her for at least 20 until we finally got an attractions manager over so she could yell at HER for a while. THEY went around and around for a while until the manager finally relented and agreed to go E-stop Indy on a Saturday and find the lady's purse. She left, the lady returned to yelling at us while she waited, and when the manager came back, I've never seen anyone look so pissed off in all my life.

Turns out the lady made it up, the only thing in the purse was some Tylenol. That was the end of the lady's day at Disneyland, but only the start for us since we then got bombarded with complaints from people who got evac'd off Indy.

[Big Wallaby]

That is one of the worst SGT's I have heard about in a while. On an attraction that already has a good wait time on the weekends, to insist on shutting down the attraction, that's sick on many levels, unless you did have that insulin there and might die without it.

Ejecting her from the park is really the least that should have been done at that point. Is she banned as well? I would like to hear that she is. One lady, for a purse that didn't have anything important in it, inconvenienced what, hundreds of people?

Wow, what a bitch. Kind of person for whom you look forward to their meeting with the Grim Reaper, just to get them off the planet. :mad:

[darph nader]

Too bad you couldn't give this 'females' name to all the other guests that got hosed. THAT would have been some fun to watch. :twisted:

[Princess Susi]

That is just sick! What a loser! Well, thanks to SGs like her, we have this board! I would like to see a good mob lynching, Darph. Have not since the scene in Beauty and the Beast! :belle: :beast: You could use the whole section of violent smilies to describe what should be done to that SG! :twisted:
soooooooze

[ktulu]

Wow...all sorts of stupid there. I'd have her photographed and sent to every theme/amusement park in the world.

[mechurchlady]

Mom has diabetes. When she was first out of the hospital i made sure I had the testing equipment on me as well as her medicine. My purse never left me when we were out. If I was carrying medicine or medical equipment necessary for my life sustenance the I would either leave it with someone or hold on really really tight.

What a maroon.

[SRT_GB]

I'm all for public ridicule. Should have had her stand at the exit of the ride and tell every guest that was being escorted off that she was the reason why the ride was shut down.

[Big Wallaby]

You know, there was something to the stocks of the 1600s.

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

That is just so Stooopid! (I know, hence the name!) too bad WDW can't fine these people, or how about a "reverse" magical dreams? Where "dreamkillers" take away things from you when you go the the parks, because your were an SG.

besides, wife of a co-worker was diabetic, she had a little kit that strapped to her belt, a small pouch that had the insulin (I think it was a pre-loaded dose), and a little "cold pac" that kept it cool all day) She was really adament about keeping it with her, as she had some "problems" in the past while shopping, etc.

In the instance of the SG, why didn't disney security help her with the tylonal suppositories?

[Syndrome]

Dreamkillers....I LOVE it!!! But in a way they would be dream makers too because it is my dream to see SGs like that lady get their comeuppance. Seeing her in stocks getting pelted with rotten produce by disgruntled guests would be worth even more than spending the night in Cindy's castle.

[SRT_GB]

Ejecting her from the park is really the least that should have been done at that point. Is she banned as well? I would like to hear that she is. One lady, for a purse that didn't have anything important in it, inconvenienced what, hundreds of people?I propose charging her for all the comps that City Hall probably had to give all the other guests that complained. Or at the least City Hall should have gotten her name and address and given it to every guest that complained about the evac.

[DisneyMom]

As a nurse, my first thought is, OK, Lady, let's take you to first aid now to check your actual blood glucose level (I am assuming the Disney nurses have a glucometer, and possibly some insulin on hand). If that one wasn't good enough, I would offer to call 911 and have someone escort her to the exit of the park where an ambulance could transport her to the nearest hospital (maybe her insurance will cover it.Maybe.) :twisted:
I can't imagine the CM would be responsible for anything else. The Purse could be recovered after closing. :rolleyes:

[darph nader]

The ladywho cried "WOLF". :mad:
Hopefully this will come back to bite her in the ass. :twisted:

[Rob562]

What the Guest did was utterly stupid, but I have a technical question...

Why did they have to E-stop and evac the other Guests from Indy? If they knew they were going to have to shut it down, why not just start cycling empty jeeps through the attraction until all the Guests were off and then shut it down/E-stop it like they do at the end of the night? Doing so would only take what, like 5 minutes? (The length of one complete ride-through)

-Rob

[Shorty82]

That is just so Stooopid! (I know, hence the name!) too bad WDW ...
FYI, this happened at Disneyland. WDW doesn't have an Indy ride

[AlpineDL]

Why did they have to E-stop and evac the other Guests from Indy? If they knew they were going to have to shut it down, why not just start cycling empty jeeps through the attraction until all the Guests were off and then shut it down/E-stop it like they do at the end of the night? Doing so would only take what, like 5 minutes? (The length of one complete ride-through)

It's from a Board X story, accuracy generally gets lost a bit. Then again, some panicked newbie might just mash the party button with that little prompt anyway, I sorta did once but it was a confused and stupid guest, not an irate one. Or, she might've decided that jumping onto the track to go run and get something would be a good idea, THAT has most certainly happened with probably every attraction at some point.

I saw a lady jump into the Dumbo fountain when her camera fell in. Kinda funny.

[DLRFantasmic!Dan]

I saw a lady jump into the Dumbo fountain when her camera fell in. Kinda funny.

I seen it happen all the time in the Astro Orbitor pit. Someone dropped something, or a little kid would happen to jump in, and I would power down just in case. Stupid people!

[SilverStyle]

What a hoe!

The best thing to deal with this is just cycle the attraction out and then e-stop it. Then you wouldn't have to evac people. Thats not the point though, stupid lady.

We had some idiot kid pull the same crap at tower of terror. He lost his $75 storm trooper helmet on Tower. The kid said he had it between his legs and that it flew out. The case being it was down in the pit. The mother wanted us to stop the ride so we could get it. The mangers ended stopping one the shafts and getting it. The helmet was ripped to shreds. The mother expected some sort of compensation for the $75 helmet. However, we had the picture from his ride and the idiot had it on top of his head. :rolleyes:

[bpgstudios]

This sort of thing happened at Peter Pan a few months ago. Guest dropped his $1000 designer sunglasses in the ride. He asked Unload CM how he could get them back. Unload replied that we walk though at the end of the night and collect any lost items and bring them to lost and found. Wasn't a good enough answer for him. He walks down the exit, opens the door to Pan CDS (Our break room, Cast Members Only sign on the door and all) and proclaims "I lost my singlasses on the ride. What is the procedure now?" Well all of us on break pretty much tell him to leave in the "nicest" way possible :twisted: . One CM then stands by the door to keep him from coming back in... he keeps knocking. We call a manager and all that. SG wants us to stop PETER PAN in the middle of the day (70 minute standby, 20 minute FP) to go look for SUNGLASSES. Manager tells him no way, come back when we close and we'll go find them for you. Well, durring the walkthrough we found a total of 4 sunglasses, a single shoe, and 2 dollars in change. His sunglasses ended up under one of the cars going into london. Took us 15 minuteswith 3 CMs doing the walkthrough to find them so imagine if we had shut down the attraction to look for them.

How selfish people can be... :mad:

[hobie16]

Guest dropped his $1000 designer sunglasses in the ride.Reminds me of when it snowed in Malibu years ago. Half the residents were calling for the Porsche paramedics; the other half were clearing driveways with their noses.

[Princess Susi]

Reminds me of when it snowed in Malibu years ago. Half the residents were calling for the Porsche paramedics; the other half were clearing driveways with their noses.

OMG, my stomach hurts from laughing at this one. Holy shit! :hysteria: ouch...

[DLRFantasmic!Dan]

This sort of thing happened at Peter Pan a few months ago. Guest dropped his $1000 designer sunglasses in the ride. He asked Unload CM how he could get them back. Unload replied that we walk though at the end of the night and collect any lost items and bring them to lost and found. Wasn't a good enough answer for him. He walks down the exit, opens the door to Pan CDS (Our break room, Cast Members Only sign on the door and all) and proclaims "I lost my singlasses on the ride. What is the procedure now?" Well all of us on break pretty much tell him to leave in the "nicest" way possible :twisted: . One CM then stands by the door to keep him from coming back in... he keeps knocking. We call a manager and all that. SG wants us to stop PETER PAN in the middle of the day (70 minute standby, 20 minute FP) to go look for SUNGLASSES. Manager tells him no way, come back when we close and we'll go find them for you.

How selfish people can be... :mad:

It's not that, it's WHY YOU YOU BRING A $1000 PAIR OF SUNGLASSES TO A THEME PARK WHEN THEY CAN EASILY GET LOST?!?!?!?!?!?! :cool:

It reminds me of a time on GRR that I was on a raft and a teenage boy didn't want his $200 pair of sunglasses to get wet so he handed it to his parents. I mean, really!

[February]

OMG, my stomach hurts from laughing at this one. Holy shit! :hysteria: ouch...

I'm with you Susi, I just about spit club soda all over my monitor LOL That is a riot!

[February]

It's not that, it's WHY YOU YOU BRING A $1000 PAIR OF SUNGLASSES TO A THEME PARK WHEN THEY CAN EASILY GET LOST?!?!?!?!?!?! :cool:

ooo! Ooo! My husband has a reply to this and wanted me to share it. His response is, "Why would they do that? Because they're a pretentions p**ck who just wants to show off. That's why."

I knew I married him for a reason LOL.

ROFLMAO

[DLRFantasmic!Dan]

ooo! Ooo! My husband has a reply to this and wanted me to share it. His response is, "Why would they do that? Because they're a pretentions p**ck who just wants to show off. That's why."

I knew I married him for a reason LOL.

ROFLMAO

LOL :lol: EXACTLY my point!! They bring it to show it off, it's just for looks.

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

FYI, this happened at Disneyland. WDW doesn't have an Indy ride

I know, every time we ride the dino ride, we call it Indie, as that is what we ride the most. O.K. at DL, how about, "Why dosnt Disney..." Just cut and past!! :waves:

(we like the Indie ride better!)

[Floridian]

I am not sure whats worse a SG with no consideration for anyone else around them or a SG with absolutely not common sense. You see at KSR when guests drop valuables they prefer to just hop on out of the moving vehicles in the white rhino enclosure. :oweye:

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

I am not sure whats worse a SG with no consideration for anyone else around them or a SG with absolutely not common sense. You see at KSR when guests drop valuables they prefer to just hop on out of the moving vehicles in the white rhino enclosure. :oweye:

That is almost worthy of a Darwin award!
We used to be AP holders of the San Diego ZOO and WAP. They have this "truck photo safari" at the WAP, VERY sililar to WDW AK safari, except you are in the back of a stakebed and you are in a HUGE enclosure that does have rinos, giraffes, etc all throughout. DW and I finally took it, got sme great up-close photos. Of course we had a WAP SG with us, he dropped his (very expensive) camera while we were getting some up close shots of the rinos, who had "sauntered" over near the truck. (the keepers give them treats to encourage them to approach the truck) this SG actually asked one of the keepers to distract them while he would climb down and get his camera! (she declined) but we did drive off (with rinos in "tow") and had another keeper get it for him while they were distracted. He got it bak when we returned, it was totaled. (looked like it had been stepped on..or driven over!) They are very fussy about what is "introduced" into their compound! :pirate2:

[hobie16]

Of course we had a WAP SG with us, he dropped his (very expensive) camera while we were getting some up close shots of the rinos, who had "sauntered" over near the truck. (the keepers give them treats to encourage them to approach the truck) this SG actually asked one of the keepers to distract them while he would climb down and get his camera! (she declined) but we did drive off (with rinos in "tow") and had another keeper get it for him while they were distracted. He got it bak when we returned, it was totaled. (looked like it had been stepped on..or driven over!) They are very fussy about what is "introduced" into their compound! :pirate2:
This sounds like the description of a Farside cartoon.

[DanC]

This story is bull. I know indy like the back of my hand and if you e-stoped the attraction for L&F you would probably be termed. SOP is to cycle out the attraction then back up the jeeps and then hit a RIDE STOP!!!!! Not an E-stop. Big difference. E-stop requires a total sytem reset

[Princess Susi]

LOL :lol: EXACTLY my point!! They bring it to show it off, it's just for looks.

EXACTLY! "Look at how rich I am."
whatever.
I hope they drop the damn things and them someone with a stroller comes along and runs them over. :twisted: Or they drop them in the rank water of Jungle cruise. It would be a hoot if they lost them and somehow the sunglasses ended up on one of the singing chucky dolls in Small World and said guest saw them there and said "Hey those are mine!" :bawl: Hee Hee Hee...
I know, I am a bitter, bitter woman. :queen: Queen Wannabe, that's me! ;)
YOU go through menopause and not be bitter. LOL :p:

Hey Zazu, what happened to the rolling pin wielding woman smiley, can't find it, am I not looking in the right place? I loved that smiley....being a bitter woman and all... ;)
sooooooozie

[Princess Susi]

I am not sure whats worse a SG with no consideration for anyone else around them or a SG with absolutely not common sense. You see at KSR when guests drop valuables they prefer to just hop on out of the moving vehicles in the white rhino enclosure. :oweye:


And the White Rhino is thinking to him/herself, (I have not been that nosy to check that particular "part" of the beast." "MMMMMM, dinnertime! dinnertime! dinnertime, dinnertime, dinnertime! (sung to the tune of the scary music in Jaws when the shark is coming up behind an unsuspecting hors' dourve! Da Dum! Da dum! Da dum, da dum, da dum!) Oh go ahead, you know you want to! Sing it out loud!

Dinnertime! (Pause) Dinnertime! (pause) (then) Dinnertime, Dinnertime, Dinnertime!
Where's the musical note smiley? need those to make it officially a song!
hahahahahaha I am one sick cookie this morning.... :twisted:
sooooozie

[Big Wallaby]

hahahahahaha I am one sick cookie this morning.... :twisted: I hope you're not complaining about that, I mean, that is why we all love you here. You, Churchy, Zazu... Oh, and me. Nice to know I have some redeeming value :p:

[Princess Susi]

I hope you're not complaining about that, I mean, that is why we all love you here. You, Churchy, Zazu... Oh, and me. Nice to know I have some redeeming value :p:

Awwwww, it is so nice to be loved by other sick cookies! LOL!
Thanks, my big pouched marsupial friend! Can I crawl in your pouch where it is nice and warm and take a lil nap? I promise I won't kick you or tickle! LOL!!
It is one of those cold rainy days here and a big pouch sounds so cozy, like a big fluffy sleeping bag! ;)
soooooozie

[Big Wallaby]

Nope, the pouch, which is strange enough for me to have, is reserved for my wife. And she may tickle if she likes.

Otherwise, I would be happy to let you... Of course, if you talk to me in the radio announcer voice I may relent, hide you in the pouch and just take a walk with Little Wallaby instead.

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

This sounds like the description of a Farside cartoon.

Too True!! I never thought of that, but as I am typing, I look at the Farside Callender hanging on my home office wall! (This month is the Bears looking at the campers in sleeping bags, with the single word caption "sandwiches") :hysteria:

[leftcoaster]

This story is bull. I know indy like the back of my hand and if you e-stoped the attraction for L&F you would probably be termed. SOP is to cycle out the attraction then back up the jeeps and then hit a RIDE STOP!!!!! Not an E-stop. Big difference. E-stop requires a total sytem reset

Not saying you are wrong, but maybe the OP on Board X just used "E-stop" as opposed to "regular stop." He could also have heard the woman complaining about the purse, and assumed that the ride was "E-stopped." *shrugs

[Princess Susi]

Nope, the pouch, which is strange enough for me to have, is reserved for my wife. And she may tickle if she likes.

Otherwise, I would be happy to let you... Of course, if you talk to me in the radio announcer voice I may relent, hide you in the pouch and just take a walk with Little Wallaby instead.

ooh, you mean that breathy, sexy overnight voice that I use when I really want something from Ralphie? LOL! I would never want to pouch poach on your wife's territory! I can get a big bear hug from Ralphie. He is a big bear, Ralphie-"Pooh"! He LOVES Pooh, the cutest bear of them all. :pooh:
sooooozie

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

Ohhhhh, Thas not right! :darkwing:

[DanC]

Not saying you are wrong, but maybe the OP on Board X just used "E-stop" as opposed to "regular stop." He could also have heard the woman complaining about the purse, and assumed that the ride was "E-stopped." *shrugs

E-stop removes 480v from the bus bar. Vehicle motion is immediately stopped. We have to evac and reset the attraction. Tower has to speil "attention in the temple ride stop to be initiated immediately" before a ride stop. I see what you are saying but at indy there is a huge difference

[DisneyMom]

Too True!! I never thought of that, but as I am typing, I look at the Farside Callender hanging on my home office wall! (This month is the Bears looking at the campers in sleeping bags, with the single word caption "sandwiches") :hysteria:


My Favorite Farside cartoon is of a couple of Polar Bears chomping on an igloo and saying, "I just love these things,crunchy on the outside,chewy on the inside!" :eek: :D:

BTW, Indy was closed today, so I told the CM it looked like the 5 Freeway (all blocked off) :( He Laughed. :rolleyes:

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

My Favorite Farside cartoon is of a couple of Polar Bears chomping on an igloo and saying, "I just love these things,crunchy on the outside,chewy on the inside!" :eek: :D:

BTW, Indy was closed today, so I told the CM it looked like the 5 Freeway (all blocked off) :( He Laughed. :rolleyes:

Ha! The one that still cracks me up is the polar bear sitting on an ice flow with penguins. the bear has a penguin nose tied over his, and the caption is "Hey, where is fred?" :kenny:

Too bad about Indy, hope its temp. DW and I got back from WDW and wanted to go to DL by the end of the month. Its fun to do a "compair and contrast" visit.

[Big Wallaby]

Got to love Far Side. One of my favorites was where a man has a bunch of gangsters in his house, they're moving his couch, pictures, etc. and one of 'em is talking to the guy saying something like "And next time, it won't just be your furniture we rearrange."

[leftcoaster]

Got to love Far Side. One of my favorites was where a man has a bunch of gangsters in his house, they're moving his couch, pictures, etc. and one of 'em is talking to the guy saying something like "And next time, it won't just be your furniture we rearrange."


Mine is: "Midvale School for the gifted" Door says PULL, and the kid is pushing.

[JugglingFreak]

Mine is: "Midvale School for the gifted" Door says PULL, and the kid is pushing.


Mine was from a line of "Far Side" tshirts. They had cartoons printed on them but had an extra follow up down on the bottom hem of the shirt.

It was cows in a field and one has a chef's hat and is grilling hamburgers and on of the other cows says "You're sick Phil, sick, sick, sick."

Now on the tshirt at the bottom was the Chef cow eating the hamburger saying "taste like chicken."

[Princess Susi]

Farside! We have the page a day calendar! I love Gary Larsen!!! One of my faves is the male dog arriving at the door with flowers and the female dog answers the door. The Male dog says, "Oh Ginger--you look absolutely stunning...and whatever you rolled in sure does stink! "
LOL! Dogs, gotta love em! LOL!
Or the one of the picture of the gazelle grazing and in the foreground there is a Cheetah putting on running shoes.... Love the animal ones. :D:
Soozie

[hobie16]

My fave is three guys, two beefy looking and one small, standing on a bridge watching a dog with cement on his legs fall towards the water. One of the beefy guys says, "He bit the Godfather."

[BRWombat]

"Beware of Doug" :D:

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

My fave is three guys, two beefy looking and one small, standing on a bridge watching a dog with cement on his legs fall towards the water. One of the beefy guys says, "He bit the Godfather."
:clap: :clap: :hysteria: :hysteria:

[drcorey]

I found this cartoon, not farside thou:
http://stbenedictcatholic.org/images/mens.jpg

[mechurchlady]

I found this cartoon, not farside thou:
http://stbenedictcatholic.org/images/mens.jpg
That is scary especially if they are animated. What do the toilets look like?

[leftcoaster]

That is scary especially if they are animated. What do the toilets look like?

Well, there is tile, lots of tile, then there are urinals for when you have to pee. There are a few that are lower to the tile floor for shorter people. If not, there are stalls. Each one has a door. Oh, and there is a toilet in each stall, and each one has some paper in a dispenser. Behind and above each toilet is a seat cover dispenser. The toilets are auto-flushing.

Usually opposite the toilets is a long row of sinks. There are several soap dispensers. Each sink has a spigot that is auto turn on. You put your hands under the spigot and the water turns on. At each end of the row of sinks are paper towel dispensers. Unfortunately they are not auto dispensing (except the ones near EE). Sometimes there are paper towel dispensers that kids can easily reach. Usually under each paper towel dispenser is a trash can where you throw your used paper towel.

And, that is what mens' rooms look like.

In fact, I think there is a web site somewhere where you can see the interior of most, if not all, of the restrooms in WDW (or is it DL?).

[mechurchlady]

I meant that if the sinks looked like hungry animals then why not have a toilet also shaped like an animal where to flush you tweak its ears.

[BRWombat]

I meant that if the sinks looked like hungry animals then why not have a toilet also shaped like an animal where to flush you tweak its ears.You're putting waaay too much thought into this, Churchy. :D:

[Shorty82]

I meant that if the sinks looked like hungry animals then why not have a toilet also shaped like an animal where to flush you tweak its ears.
Those aren't sinks, they're urinals. I know I'd be a little wary of using those things, especially the lion and aligator because of all the teeth.

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

Well, there is tile, lots of tile, then there are urinals for when you have to pee. There are a few that are lower to the tile floor for shorter people. If not, there are stalls. Each one has a door. Oh, and there is a toilet in each stall, and each one has some paper in a dispenser. Behind and above each toilet is a seat cover dispenser. The toilets are auto-flushing.

Usually opposite the toilets is a long row of sinks. There are several soap dispensers. Each sink has a spigot that is auto turn on. You put your hands under the spigot and the water turns on. At each end of the row of sinks are paper towel dispensers. Unfortunately they are not auto dispensing (except the ones near EE). Sometimes there are paper towel dispensers that kids can easily reach. Usually under each paper towel dispenser is a trash can where you throw your used paper towel.

And, that is what mens' rooms look like.

In fact, I think there is a web site somewhere where you can see the interior of most, if not all, of the restrooms in WDW (or is it DL?).

I think you forgot the memo all us guys got, the sinks are now refered to as "high occupancy Alternate urinals" :readit: :bugeyes:

[Zazu]

Hey Zazu, what happened to the rolling pin wielding woman smiley, can't find it, am I not looking in the right place? I loved that smiley....being a bitter woman and all... ;)It's been moved to the Violence section and upgraded. You can find it there or just enter rollpin2 between colons to get: :rollpin2:

[Zazu]

Where's the musical note smiley? need those to make it officially a song!It's listed under "Custom Smileys": :notes:

[Shorty82]

All hail Zazu, the Smilie Master!

:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :zazu:

[mechurchlady]

Those aren't sinks, they're urinals. I know I'd be a little wary of using those things, especially the lion and aligator because of all the teeth.
Being a lady I would not know about such things, honestly.

Wallaby I been around Disney too long to not think that way.

[Princess Susi]

Yes, ALL HAIL Mighty ZAZU!!!!! :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :zazu:You truly are great and mighty! Thank you so much!
P.S. Is that a different rolling pin smiley than before, I remember the woman had a real mad face and a red bow in her hair on the other one! That is why I missed this one. This one works, for I am the mighty rolling pin wielding menopausal she-beast! :twisted:
susi-Q

[BRWombat]

I think you forgot the memo all us guys got, the sinks are now refered to as "high occupancy Alternate urinals" :readit: :bugeyes:From Blue Collar TV (funnier if you realize there is a pause for laughter between each line):Jeff Foxworthy: I believe that no matter what people say, everybody pees in the pool. :)
Bill Engvall:...And in the shower. :D:
Larry the Cable Guy: ...And in the sink. :eek:
Jeff Foxworthy: (to Larry) Remind me never to eat at your place again. :D:

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

From Blue Collar TV (funnier if you realize there is a pause for laughter between each line):Jeff Foxworthy: I believe that no matter what people say, everybody pees in the pool. :)
Bill Engvall:...And in the shower. :D:
Larry the Cable Guy: ...And in the sink. :eek:
Jeff Foxworthy: (to Larry) Remind me never to eat at your place again. :D:

I LOVE that bit. DW and I catch the show on cable. Laugh out loud funny!!

[GuestJockey]

WHOA! Hahaha...the original post in this thread was written by ME! lol - one of the TOT castmembers told me about this site, so I'm here looking around and I read the subject thinking "Oooh! I have a GREAT evac story!", so I open it and...wait a minute, that's my story! That's my post from the other board!

Oh well, glad you all found it entertaining. And as for why they chose to evac rather than cycle out, I couldn't say. I was dealing with it as the City Hall CM, not as the Indy CM. And yes, I HAD tried sending her to first aid and all that and she always some kind of lame excuse why she refused to go. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

[DisneyMom]

WELCOME GuestJockey!!!! I'm glad you thought of sending her to First Aid (Great Minds think alike!) Was anyone suspicious about her motivation when she refused?

[BRWombat]

WHOA! Hahaha...the original post in this thread was written by ME! lol - one of the TOT castmembers told me about this site, so I'm here looking around and I read the subject thinking "Oooh! I have a GREAT evac story!", so I open it and...wait a minute, that's my story! That's my post from the other board!

Oh well, glad you all found it entertaining. And as for why they chose to evac rather than cycle out, I couldn't say. I was dealing with it as the City Hall CM, not as the Indy CM. And yes, I HAD tried sending her to first aid and all that and she always some kind of lame excuse why she refused to go. Stupid, stupid, stupid.Hey, GuestJockey, great story!!!

If she's faking diabetes just to get her stinkin' purse back, I think I would have tried to find a way to give the lady a shot one way or the other. (Hey, there's multiple meanings of the word 'shot.' Hmm, injection, yes. Serving of alcohol, no. Bullet... maybe. :twisted: :D:)

:welcome: to :sgt: from :wallaby: and :wombat:!!!

[Princess Susi]

WHOA! Hahaha...the original post in this thread was written by ME! lol - one of the TOT castmembers told me about this site, so I'm here looking around and I read the subject thinking "Oooh! I have a GREAT evac story!", so I open it and...wait a minute, that's my story! That's my post from the other board!

Oh well, glad you all found it entertaining. And as for why they chose to evac rather than cycle out, I couldn't say. I was dealing with it as the City Hall CM, not as the Indy CM. And yes, I HAD tried sending her to first aid and all that and she always some kind of lame excuse why she refused to go. Stupid, stupid, stupid.


Yes and you see what you started.;) Just look where this thread went! All threads on SGT eventually go way, way, way, way off topic. Wait a minute did a forget a way or two in there? Welcome to the board where nothing ever stays on topic and off topic is the direction this board goes!:D:
Only now it has come full circle! Did the planets align or something? :eek:
Susi

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

He needs to head to the ADD thread...At least everything will be "On topic" by going off topic...wait....no...If you stay on the tropic of cancer you go toward the equator of topic...or is that Hawaiian tropic...Hmmmmm

[Big Wallaby]

If she's faking diabetes just to get her stinkin' purse back, I think I would have tried to find a way to give the lady a shot one way or the other.Giant shot of insulin would clear things right up. How does about 320 cc's sound? That'll clear up ALL her problems... and ours, too.

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

Why don't they simply "charge" her for the cost of lost fun? take Every guest in the park, take the amount of ticket cost of them, devide the amount by the number of hours the park is open for the day, then charge her in a 15 minute increment till the ride starts again!! THEN give her the shot!!

[DisneyMom]

Giant shot of insulin would clear things right up. How does about 320 cc's sound? That'll clear up ALL her problems... and ours, too.

1cc=100 units of insulin.240cc(ml)=1 milk carton of insulin.
Ghostbusters has a line like that-any of you movie buffs care to pull it up?:D:

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

No..my brain is fried from online shopping!! Arrrhhhhh. friggin transformers!!!

[GuestJockey]

WELCOME GuestJockey!!!! I'm glad you thought of sending her to First Aid (Great Minds think alike!) Was anyone suspicious about her motivation when she refused?

We're ALWAYS suspicious of stuff like that, but it's not really our place to question it, so it usually plays out exactly the way this one did. :mad:

Thanks for the welcomes!

[Randy B]

We're ALWAYS suspicious of stuff like that, but it's not really our place to question it, so it usually plays out exactly the way this one did. :mad:

Thanks for the welcomes!

Warning, random musings ahead!

There is a legal infraction assessed when someone without a physical disability parks in a handicaped spot. Maybe it is time to come up with a similar infraction for claiming a disability that a person is not entitled to, and causes financial/business interruption problems or availability issues for those who DO have a medical need. This would also address those SGs who rent wheelchairs in the belief that that rental will get them to the front of lines, when no physical reason is present. If this then causes a truly chair needing person to not have one available later in the day, the "cheater" could be fined. As well as someone like this who made a medical claim that was incorrect, and caused a disruption to business (as well as inconvenince to those following the rules) could be charged for the disruption.

Anyone want to write such a bill?

Randy

[GuestJockey]

Warning, random musings ahead!

There is a legal infraction assessed when someone without a physical disability parks in a handicaped spot. Maybe it is time to come up with a similar infraction for claiming a disability that a person is not entitled to, and causes financial/business interruption problems or availability issues for those who DO have a medical need. This would also address those SGs who rent wheelchairs in the belief that that rental will get them to the front of lines, when no physical reason is present. If this then causes a truly chair needing person to not have one available later in the day, the "cheater" could be fined. As well as someone like this who made a medical claim that was incorrect, and caused a disruption to business (as well as inconvenince to those following the rules) could be charged for the disruption.

Anyone want to write such a bill?

Randy

I like the idea, but I have a ~slight~ defense of the 'person in a wheelchair' complaint, only because there are those who legitimately (myself included) have trouble standing in one place for more than 20 minutes, but can walk around all day without feeling a thing. For these people, we recommend wheelchairs and even tell them that they can "push it too the attraction and then sit down once you're in line." so that they can be SITTING. For this reason, I feel bad when I see CMs judging who should or shouldn't use a chair.

[Randy B]

I like the idea, but I have a ~slight~ defense of the 'person in a wheelchair' complaint, only because there are those who legitimately (myself included) have trouble standing in one place for more than 20 minutes, but can walk around all day without feeling a thing. For these people, we recommend wheelchairs and even tell them that they can "push it too the attraction and then sit down once you're in line." so that they can be SITTING. For this reason, I feel bad when I see CMs judging who should or shouldn't use a chair.

I understand and that is why I need someone else to write the bill with all the specs and such. Including accounting for situations as you mention or even short term, non doctor recommended uses. A hangnail can temporarily make it nearly impossible to walk or stand. But when there is one chair available, who gets it, the broken leg or the hangnail.

Randy

[Kwahati]

I understand and that is why I need someone else to write the bill with all the specs and such. Including accounting for situations as you mention or even short term, non doctor recommended uses. A hangnail can temporarily make it nearly impossible to walk or stand. But when there is one chair available, who gets it, the broken leg or the hangnail.

That's the problem: you can't know that Broken Leg's going to show up later, so if Hangnail's standing there, you have to give it to them. If Broken Leg and Hangnail show up at the same time, Hangnail's probably going to look at Broken Leg's cast and (in most cases where Hangnail's not an SG) say "Damn, glad I'm not him! By all means, give the last wheelchair to him!"

This one's a touchy one for me, too, because the military refused to take responsibility for my screwed up knee. For those of you who know what it means, I have a 0% disability rating. For everybody else: this means I'm not not disabled, I'm just not disabled enough to count...if that makes any sense (and at the level where it requires a triple negative, I'm sure it makes no sense at all). But it also leaves the option open for them to say I'm disabled later (increase my percentage rating, which they can't do if you don't have a disability rating when you separate). Basically, it's the military taking credit (kind of) without doing anything about it... The upshot of this is that I have a bad knee that very little was ever done to help. I did a lot of rehab, though, so it works pretty well most of the time. Since the military tried to dodge taking credit, I have nothing from a doctor stating I have a permanently bad knee. What happens to me if I spent all day yesterday walking around the World Showcase and today my knee no worky so good? Should I suffer because I can't prove it hurts?

I do think I have a good answer though: set up two lines at wheelchair rental. One line should be under a sign that says "I need a wheelchair" the other line should say "I need a front of the line pass." Anybody lined up under the first sign gets a chair. Anybody dumb enough to line up under the latter sign gets nothing! Or they could "get" escorted out of the park. I care not.:cool:

[Randy B]

That's the problem: you can't know that Broken Leg's going to show up later, so if Hangnail's standing there, you have to give it to them. If Broken Leg and Hangnail show up at the same time, Hangnail's probably going to look at Broken Leg's cast and (in most cases where Hangnail's not an SG) say "Damn, glad I'm not him! By all means, give the last wheelchair to him!"


I agree. Maybe there needs to be a sliding scale with the difficulty of renting a chair depending on how many chairs are currently available. So at the start of the day, someone who is not used to walking 10+ miles a day and will need a chair by the end of the day to even move, will have a very good chance. But later in the day when there are only 15 chairs left, if the rental request is not including a Rx or a broken bone, convincing the renter to rent will be more difficult. That way there will be a few chairs reserved for obvious need, but does not restrict those who have a desire (as opposed to a need).

I do like the improvements that Disney has made to the disabilty benefits through out the parks. A higher percentage of accessable lines, and multiple levels of "service" for different conditions (from "no special service" to "front of line" and every flavor inbetween). This has cut down the number of SGs who thought that simply renting a chair gave them instant front of the line to a relative few. If you rent a chair and then find out that you don't have the right card and you still have to wait in the line, the apparent benefit falls by the wayside. And as time goes by, the system is being refined and working better all the time. It's not perfect yet, but getting there.

But to get back to the original premise, it would be nice if there was a way to penalize those who fake or profess a condition for personal gain with no truth to it. If that gal who was professing a medical condition just to speed up the search for a lost purse, without the condition being true, could be penalized for the lie proportionate to the disruption of business incurred, such interruptions would become less and less often. Of course such a thing should be also publicised (maybe without names) to prevent anyone who might try it in the future from even trying.

What would have happened if when she insisted on the attraction being shut down to get her medication was then informed that "we are willing to do so, but if there is no medicine of that type in your purse you will be charged $XXXX.XX for the interruption fee", the outcome may have been different. Or to prevent charges of descrimination, a set fee for interruption of service fee that if it is a real emergency would be gladly payed, while a faker wouldn't want to pay.

JMHO of course.

Randy

[Kwahati]

What would have happened if when she insisted on the attraction being shut down to get her medication was then informed that "we are willing to do so, but if there is no medicine of that type in your purse you will be charged $XXXX.XX for the interruption fee", the outcome may have been different. Or to prevent charges of descrimination, a set fee for interruption of service fee that if it is a real emergency would be gladly payed, while a faker wouldn't want to pay.

That's a very valid point. I totally agree. I don't know why this makes me think of it, (the communal ADD is getting worse around here!) but I used to do a lot of back-country hiking and camping in Yellowstone Nat'l Park. When they announced several years ago that they were going to begin charging people for their own rescue, should a rescue operation become necessary, anybody with an ounce of brain started giving themselves extra time to find their own way home before the people expecting them were to call the rangers. If you make it public that "hey, we're not your safety net and if we have to bail you out, it won't be free!" people will think "oh yeah! maybe I should pay attention to my own ass to make sure I don't get it into trouble!"

A quick answer to my little quip from before about people "needing" front of the line passes (and implying that they're all fakers). I just want to apologize: it's late and I'm tired (so tired I just typed this sentence wrong twice!) so I forgot about the one group that I know of who really does need front of line privileges...lots of autistic kids can't handle being around people they don't know for more than a few minutes (or maybe even at all in some cases...I don't know), so standing in an hour+ long line is right out of the question. I thank God that I don't know much about autism in general, but I do know that I have a cousin who's autistic (I think he's about 11 years old now) and, even after having it explained to him several times that I was related to him, he was pretty uncomfortable even having me in their house! So I do, sincerely, apologize to anybody I may have offended. I do know there are reasons a person would need front of line privileges and I really didn't mean to imply that they're all fakers. (By the way: anybody seen the new commercial with rock stars who're trying to raise money to end autism? I thought it was cool that Steven Tyler was in it because, coincidentally enough, when I met my cousin several months ago, one of the only things that made him like [tolerate?] me was talking to him about music and playing some Aerosmith for him!)

[Princess Susi]

And even if those who don't have a legit disability are getting a chair for the purpose of getting to the front of the line, they are S.O.L. There is no front of the line priveledge with a chair! They have to wait in a disabled line if an attraction has one or wait in the regular queue with everyone else if it does not have a disabled line, albeit sitting down in a chair and when they do get to the disabled load place, they have to wait til there are not so many disabled guests on the attraction because of the evac and safety issues. If an attraction had to be evacked quickly due to a fire or something, you cannot have too many people who are disabled on the ride that have to be transferred to a chair. Would take too much time and so they limit how many disabled on an attracton at one time. There is NO front of the line perk with having a chair. Sometimes disabled people wait even longer to get on. There is a thread in a Disney disabilty forum by a disabled person who sets it straight about the getting to the front of the line.

Not gonna happen unless you have one of those passes from a CM or the new front of the line deal that WDW offers if you pay a certain amount extra on your trip. You can BUY a pass that gives you front of the line priviledges. Now, I do NOT know if this has actually gone into effect or if it is not being done. But we were told when we started to reserve our trip on the Platinum pkg that we could pay 300.00 more to get a front of the line pass to the attractons. I admit, that does sound very good to me, with my bad back. Do any of the WDW CMs know about this deal? It is some sort of pass you buy with your trip package and it works that way. Or is not in use? We heard it from a concierge CM who was booking tours and other resses for us that we could pay for this type of pass. Maybe Zazu has heard. I don't know if they actually put that into use. I probably would do it, with my bad back, standing in lines will put me in bed the whole next day, that is why we book a month trip, to have enough time to do what we want AND take every other day off from the pain of walking and standing for hours. Do they actually have such a pass for 300.00 to get front of line priviledges at WDW?:confused: I have heard about this. It would be cool if they did.:cool:

Tomorrow, is a HUGE day for me! I finally got my insurance to get me into a Spine Specialist! YAY! We just may be on the way now to finding out what is wrong with my back and maybe, just maybe that can fix it???? Oh PLEEEEEEEASE be so. I hope so. I canot live on Morphine and Percocet anymore. You would all faint if you knew how much Morphine and Percocet I took everyday! Too much, I need to get off of it. My liver hates it and I want to be drug free!!!!!!!! I have to take it right now, because if I don't i cannot live. I would be bed ridden and in excruciating pain. As it is, the meds just take the edge off the pain, enough to allow me to stand for a couple hours or walk for a couple hours without too much pain. Gad, I hope these specialists can find what is wrong and cure it, or at least make it more bearable. I WILL be in a chair if they cannot do anything for my back. I don't believe it is my spine, cause my MRIs all show nothing in my spine, but I do think it may be a muscle or soft tissue wrapped around a nerve branching off my spine and torquing my sciatic nerve down my left leg. The pain is all in my lower back and left leg and I cannot stand or walk when it starts it's nasty little devil pain dance. I look otherwise very healthy and people would probably wonder why I would need a chair when I can walk a little ways and then have to use a chair. That is how it is sometimes with disabilities.
So we will find out what is wrong. FINALLY! After months of fighting my Kaiser HMO, I finally get some help! And Kaiser recommended an OUTSIDE specialist and is paying for it! They better, after all the trouble I have had with their neuro depts. They gave me nothing but shit for years.:mad: First appt tomorrow and probably more tests!:) That is how they have to find it in there!
Susi*Ow, I hurt, hand me another couple morphines and a perc*slicker:(

[Shorty82]

God, I hope WDW isn't going to start charging for a FOL Pass. Universal has the Express Pass which you buy (and costs a LOT) and is called a FOL Pass but in the end works exactly the same as Disney's FastPass which is free.

[mechurchlady]

Only Make a Wish kids get front of the line passes now a days.

Good news for Susi.

[Princess Susi]

Why? Am I a kid? Or do I make a wish to be in front in line?:confused:
sues

[hobie16]

I finally got my insurance to get me into a Spine Specialist! YAY! We just may be on the way now to finding out what is wrong with my back and maybe, just maybe that can fix it????(

Good luck! Oh yeah, Kaiser sucks.

[Princess Susi]

No, kaiserREALLY SUCKS!!!!!!!Please tell Ralph that. He seems to think that because Florida does not have Kaiser that is a reason NOT to move there. He gets Kaiser free for life, so we don't have to pay for medical insurance for him, but I say the money we save by building in Florida instead of California's Orange County will be enough to pay for his medical insurance and he still will have Kaiser free for life so anytime we go to any state with Kaiser he can use it. Makes sense to me. I HATE Kaiser!!!!!! They are the worst! It has taken me 2 years to even get them to believe I had a neuro problem in my back, then my doctor starts handing out the pills like candy, (that is what Kaiser does, they don't try to *cure*you, that would mean they won't get to keep charging you for every visit and Rx that you need for the problem). Then Neurosurgery refuses, yes refuses to give me an appt, some little office hack tells me that my MRI was normal, so there was nothing Kaiser could do for me and that he was sorry I was in so much pain, but Good Luck!! Those were his exact words! That little asshole got reported and into deep doo doo for telling me that because he was not a doctor and had no right to tell me that nothing was wrong with me. Then he lied and told management that he offered me another MRI, which he did not. I am so sick of Kaiser I will NOT go back to the neuro dept there and requested an outside opinion. Took them 3 months to get that done and then when I got my referral letter and called the office to make an appt, it was the wrong number on the letter. We had to dig to find out where I actually was supposed to go and who to call. Incompetence! Thank God they finally gave me the referral or else I would have flown back to California and seen a specialist there that we know outside of Kaiser and that would have been very, very expensive. I am surprised they even gave me the referral. So now I get to go to University Medical Center of Denver and see if they can fix my back. If the spine center can't do anything, then it will be on to their Neuro dept and then the Pain center, if nothing else. Oh Yeah, I hate Kaiser with a passion!!!!!!!!! They have turned me into a morphine addict and I don't want their damn pills. I want them to do what they are supposed to do, be doctors!
susi*in a lot of pain 24/7*slicker:(

[DisneyMom]

I am glad you are finally getting the Evaluation from the specialist,Susi!
Let us know how things are progressing, I can't imagine how awful it is to feel that way every day. I'm hoping your back will be much better for your visit here!!!!

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

Who is this Kaiser?

[GuestJockey]

I used to work for Kaiser, and can say that every "region" has DRASTICALLY different levels of service. I didn't see too many case like yours in my SoCal district, but I heard about a TON of them in the NorCal district and several other areas. Kaiser in Hawaii is AWESOME. It just depends on your region, sorry to hear you got screwed around.

[hobie16]

Who is this Kaiser?

Keyser Söze?

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

Keyser Söze?

I knew it!! That guy is everywhere, messing up our lives!!!!

[Kwahati]

Who is this Kaiser?

Kaiser Permanente. The company that talked Nixon into starting this whole "Health Maintenance Organization" scam by convincing the republicans that they could give limited amounts of health care to people, but still keep it profitable. It's a con. The only way you can make money in any business is to take in more money than you put out. How do you do that if you're charging people a fairly small amount for something that costs a lot (like visiting a doctor)? By not paying claims or by denying people care. That's why people with real and verifiable problems don't get care in the US while they would in any other civilized country (and some of the "uncivilized ones") This is another hot-button issue for me as I has my recent dental work pre-approved by my health insurance. They told me it was 100% covered less a small co-payment. I paid the co-payment, and now, two days ago, I've received a bill for another $400! (I know that doesn't seem like a lot to some people around here, but to me, that's a chunk of change and I can't just pull it out of thin air...especially at Christmas/Hanukkah time. :mad:)

My new favorite quote (semi-related, in my mind, because health care is a fairly polarizing political issue in this country): The only thing dumber than a Republican, or a Democrat, is when these pricks decide to work TOGETHER! A Republican stands up in congress and says "I've got a really bad idea!" and a Democrat stands up and says "And I know how to make it even Shittier!" -Lewis Black

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

Actually I was referring to: Keyser Söze! but since I see the choice for that particular HMO every year in the brochures that personnel send around! (and do not pick it!)


Ooooohhhhhhh!! I was also referring to Kaiser Wilhelm, who, it you watch the Simpsons, was the nemesis of the grandpa!! (hehehehe)

[DLRFantasmic!Dan]

God, I hope WDW isn't going to start charging for a FOL Pass. Universal has the Express Pass which you buy (and costs a LOT) and is called a FOL Pass but in the end works exactly the same as Disney's FastPass which is free.

Not true.. kinda. The FOL pass brings you to THE FRONT OF THE LINE!!! You have no wait at all. They seem to pass them out and reuse them.

[Zazu]

Not gonna happen unless you have one of those passes from a CM or the new front of the line deal that WDW offers if you pay a certain amount extra on your trip. You can BUY a pass that gives you front of the line priviledges. Now, I do NOT know if this has actually gone into effect or if it is not being done. But we were told when we started to reserve our trip on the Platinum pkg that we could pay 300.00 more to get a front of the line pass to the attractons. I admit, that does sound very good to me, with my bad back. Do any of the WDW CMs know about this deal? It is some sort of pass you buy with your trip package and it works that way. Or is not in use? We heard it from a concierge CM who was booking tours and other resses for us that we could pay for this type of pass. Maybe Zazu has heard.What I've heard is that the Company has filed a few more patents on obvious (and less obvious) ways to use the FASTPASS system. These include preferential return times based on the price of your hotel room, instant FASTPASS, multiple attraction FASTPASSes, and a good number of other variations.

At present, *none* of these are in effect. So far as I've heard, none are presently planned -- this was just a case of the legal department deciding we needed to keep our options open (get a patent before somebody else files one).

Even if some of these systems were adopted, they still wouldn't be "front of the line" passes. As many of your know, even a FASTPASS can entail a wait, and the system doesn't work at all on attractions that don't have FASTPASS.

There are some "priority entry" passes out there, but they tend to be issued only when an attraction goes down, and are generally good for just one ride on the same day. Undated priority entry passes are to be confiscated.

Of course, they don't tell me *everything*....

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

What I've heard is that the Company has filed a few more patents on obvious (and less obvious) ways to use the FASTPASS system. These include preferential return times based on the price of your hotel room, instant FASTPASS, multiple attraction FASTPASSes, and a good number of other variations.

At present, *none* of these are in effect. So far as I've heard, none are presently planned -- this was just a case of the legal department deciding we needed to keep our options open (get a patent before somebody else files one).

Even if some of these systems were adopted, they still wouldn't be "front of the line" passes. As many of your know, even a FASTPASS can entail a wait, and the system doesn't work at all on attractions that don't have FASTPASS.

There are some "priority entry" passes out there, but they tend to be issued only when an attraction goes down, and are generally good for just one ride on the same day. Undated priority entry passes are to be confiscated.

Of course, they don't tell me *everything*....

Thats not RIGHT!! Demand an accounting of all the information you have been denied!!! (let us know how it works out!!)

[Kwahati]

Thats not RIGHT!! Demand an accounting of all the information you have been denied!!! (let us know how it works out!!)

This just reminds me of my friends and I joking about what they should do for people with security clearances in the government: "The Great Big Book of Everything You Ever Wanted to Know That's Classified"! Page 1: Who killed JFK? Page 2: Where is Jimmy Hoffa's Body? Page 3: What's at Area 51? :rolleyes:

[Randy B]

This just reminds me of my friends and I joking about what they should do for people with security clearances in the government: "The Great Big Book of Everything You Ever Wanted to Know That's Classified"! Page 1: Who killed JFK? Page 2: Where is Jimmy Hoffa's Body? Page 3: What's at Area 51? :rolleyes:

Actually I think page 1 should be "Who's REALLY in charge around here?"

Randy

[Princess Susi]

What I've heard is that the Company has filed a few more patents on obvious (and less obvious) ways to use the FASTPASS system. These include preferential return times based on the price of your hotel room, instant FASTPASS, multiple attraction FASTPASSes, and a good number of other variations.

At present, *none* of these are in effect. So far as I've heard, none are presently planned -- this was just a case of the legal department deciding we needed to keep our options open (get a patent before somebody else files one).

Even if some of these systems were adopted, they still wouldn't be "front of the line" passes. As many of your know, even a FASTPASS can entail a wait, and the system doesn't work at all on attractions that don't have FASTPASS.

There are some "priority entry" passes out there, but they tend to be issued only when an attraction goes down, and are generally good for just one ride on the same day. Undated priority entry passes are to be confiscated.

Of course, they don't tell me *everything*....

Thank you Zazu. I was not sure what the status was on that. I asked Ralph again what the CM told him and he said at the time he spoke to the CM (probably back in November of last year) the $300.00 special FOL pass was NOT in use at that time, but they expected it might be available by the time we were to come to WDW on our trip in May 07. Since we were not able to come in May, we never followed up and I was not sure what the status was on such a pass. He was told that it was an all inclusive FOL for EVERY attraction and you would get walk-ons to all of them. No wait at all... definitely for a price!:twisted: Disney does not do anything for free, really. We had made our resses on the Platinum Pkg so I am not sure if that was an extra perk you could pay for with that pkg.

You get everything else included in that pkg. It is the only way to fly! Especially for us, since we like to do a LOT of *different* things than the Parks, it really is worth it for us. You get concierge level room, massages, fireworks cruises, Cirque du Soleil tix, (Gahhhhhhhhhh...CLOWNS...evil buggers!, we did NOT go to Cirque, maybe I will try next trip to get over the clown thing...) Fantasmic Dinner pkg, unlimited recreation, like fishing excursions, horsebackriding etc, with the Platinum. It comes with the Dining Plan (!) and a vacation planner to schedule everything for you so you don't have to make a hundred phone calls. You just decide what and when you want to do something or where you want to eat and tell the vacation planner and they do all the work. It is so much easier. But even with that I will sometimes make my own resses for things just cause I like to be part of the planning. It has so many perks it is almost impossible to use them all. The really cool thing about the plan? We stay in two different resorts over 4 weeks and each stay at each resort is treated as it's own Platinum package, so we get perks for the first resort and then we get the same perks all over again for the second resort as if it were two different vacations. We did not know that the first time we booked the Platinum and it was just a little overwhelming. We just could not do everything. Now we are a little more seasoned and will know how to book it all, so we have a lot of downtime as well at the pool and the resorts. It is an amazing pkg and I am crossing my fingers and eyes it is still available for 2008. Not many people had it when we went. Many CMs looked at our passes and asked what the Platinum was. So it was not well known. It really is a pampered way to go. That's what we want to do when we come in May again. Contemporary for two weeks and Yacht for two weeks. We NEED a month away from this arid hell hole.:p:
Sues

[BRWombat]

This just reminds me of my friends and I joking about what they should do for people with security clearances in the government: "The Great Big Book of Everything You Ever Wanted to Know That's Classified"! Page 1: Who killed JFK? Page 2: Where is Jimmy Hoffa's Body? Page 3: What's at Area 51? :rolleyes:From the previews, it sounds like that's the premise to the new "National Treasure" movie coming out it a few weeks, with Nick Cage trying to get his hands on "the President's Book of Secrets."

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

Actually I think page 1 should be "Who's REALLY in charge around here?"

Randy

Having worked for the Government for over 35 years, I can without a doubt tell you that the page would be blank!!!!

[Princess Susi]

Oh yeah, the Kaiser thing and my back thing....
I went to my appt at Colorado University Hospital and those doctors got more done in 2 and half hours than Kaiser did in two YEARS! They already have a treatment plan, steroid shots in a different joint at a different angle. OUCH! (they did say they would put me under anesthesia if I requestd cause those mf shots HURT like hell!) Then, if it is worse than the shots can help, I may need an SI (sacroiliac joint, the bottom of the spine and the hip joint) microsurgery or diskectomy, but that is down the road if the shots do not work. When I had my original MRI done last March, I took it to Kaiser Neurology and they said it looked normal, no problems. The two docs I saw this week at Univ. said there were 3 problems in the area of the spine that was hurting, as well as some slight scoliosis from aging and a bend in my spine, probably postural in origin. This was from the original MRI from March, NOT a new one. So the dimbulbs(that is a nice name for them, I do NOT want to offend anyone with what I really call them here in the privacy of my own home)at Kaiser missed 5 things in my spine. That March 07 MRI was the only MRI I had done so far, since a couple catscans and Xrays a couple yrs ago.. These new docs at the Spine Center want me to have another one now at THEIR hospital, (I guess they don't trust Kaiser either after the misdiagnosis:mad:) because the problem has probably worsened since March's MRI. So I need to go into the tube again very soon as soon as I get the go ahead from Kaiser and they BETTER okay it There is a tear in some part of the spinal tissue and a narrowing where the nerve goes through the foramenal opening (hole) from the spine out to the rest of the body as well as a flattened, dried looking disc in the lower back. Hmmmmmmmm...they found this after 2 and a half hours. Kaiser had almost 3 yrs to find out what was going on in my back, but would not due to the way their referrals work. You HAVE to be able to SHOW a problem in the back with xrays or the catscan to get further into the system, ie: An MRI with a Neurological assessment. THEY decided my back problem was NOT serious enough to warrant futher treatment until I called screaming in March of this year and my doctor did get an MRI ordered. They finally agreed to send me to Neurology, NOT Neurosurgery where I SHOULD have been referred to. It was Neurology that determined I did not have a problem with my spine in March07 and said "Go to Orthopedics to see if it is in your hip." Both my doc and I KNEW that my hip xray would be negative and it was.:mad: Another waste of time and more co-pay $$ for Kaiser. They were giving me the runaround!

My Primary Physician has her hands tied by the beauracracy. She could NOT order the tests 3 yrs ago even when she wanted to. They would not approve it. So they did nothing to find the problem. And in March this year when I was trying to get in to see Neurosurgery, AFTER the first MRI and I still had excruciationg pain 24/7 and could not walk more than an hour or stand longer than 2 hours on a good day, they told me NO, I did not have a problem that showed on my original MRI that would warrant an appt. and that little office hack asswipe did NOTHING but tell me that there was nothing they could do and they were sorry I was in so much pain, but good luck! I will give him good luck if I EVER see him in person! That ass made a diagnosis when he was simply a chairwarming appointment maker!!! :mad: :evil: :notallthe :rtfm: :thumbsdn: :bbbat: :blowup: :brazilia: :buttkick: :chainsaw: :clubb: :flush: :hammer: :knife: :pitchfork :punch: :pleasdie: :punchbag: :smack: :paperair: :tank: :trash: :voodoo: :whip: I finally called patient services and lodged complaints while having my primary put through the request for the outside referral at the same time. The Management reprimanded the office hack, he should have been fired. He should NOT be working with people with chronic pain that is for sure! And at the same time my referral for outside help finally came through with a wrong number to call. It took some digging on my part to find out WHERE they actually referred me to, since the the number I called on the referral letter was not even remotely close to what I needed. Fools. Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! :mad:

Okay, do you want to know how I really feel about Kaiser? ;)

Those fools did not do anything to help me, but they sure get mad if your premium payment is one day late. I agree Kwahati, the bane of medical help, is the HMO! They don't WANT to cure you, because then they would not be able to keep charging for all those meds and treatments that keep you coming back and paying your co-pay each time. I am SICK of Kaiser and am now going to look into other possibilities. The bad thing here is that I have ongoing medical issues and any insurance is going to take that into account so it may end up costing me a shitload to get new insurance. It is worth it though. With Kaiser I may end up very dead, if they keep this quality of care up. I have to say though, my primary care physician is phenomenal. She goes to the mat for me and has lit a fire under the asses of the committees that make referrals and second opinion decisions and gotten me a LOT of help outside that Kaiser is going to cover. She got me into breast reduction surgery quickly, (YES the girls were TOO big at one time :D: ) and she put me through the system and got it done quickly a few years back.

The docs at University Hospital want another MRI done at THEIR facility and want the treatments (steroid shots or surgery if needed,) done at their facility. I am betting in the time between my March MRI and the one that will be done now, the problem will have worsened and that is Kaiser's fault! My pain has worsened! And, you can bet I will NOT allow Kaiser docs to touch my back after they said nothing was wrong. Those quacks will not get near me! I want my new docs at University doing the shots and surgery. They are awesome. I have to start physical therapy again, but this time it is a very specific exercise for a very specific joint locale. The Kaiser physical therapy dept is literally one block from our house, a 3 minute drive. So the Univ docs think that Kaiser will want me to go there and not go their facility. I hope they know what they are doing and if not, then I demand to go to University Hospital and Kaiser will pay! My premium is almost 700.00 a month and they keep me on morphine and Percocet, INSTEAD of FIXING the problem with shots or surgery that could help me more in the long run! :mad:

They WANT to keep you just sick enough to keep coming back and they love to push pills! My liver hates me right now and I am going to have to go into rehab, (Hey Lindsay and Britney and Nicole watch out! Make room! Here comes Susislicker! LOL!) Actually it is going to take a very Looooooooong weaning process to get off the opiates because of withdrawal. I have been on this crap in the form of Vicodin when the pain first started 3 years ago, graduated to Percocet and then Morphine AND Percocet together EVERY DAY for the past 3 and a half YEARS! You know how addicted I am? It scares me to know I have to go through the withdrawal :eek: and yet I am so looking forward to being drug free. I love a clear mind and the ability to have some desire to get up off of my ass and do things, something I don't have now. The drugs make you lazy and lackadaisical. You live in a semi fog and can't really do anything, because it does not get rid of the pain altogether, just dulls it for awhile til you take more meds and get even more fogged out. Though if you spoke to me in person you would have a hard time telling I was all opiated up. I have gotten USED to it. THAT is scary. And I do still ahve alot of internal energy jusy clamoring to get out! I jusy don't *feel* like doing anything and that is what these drugs to to you. :(

So anyway, we are well on the way to getting something positive done with my back and I am happy and if these docs can really do something, I will have little or no pain at all. That will be heaven. For a person like me who never stopped when I was younger, this would be a godsend. I could walk distances again and maybe even try to start running again. :) I REALLY miss running. I was an avid jogger and loved nothing more than being out by myself and pounding the ground and making time go by. I would also lose the extra 50-60 lb, I need to lose for lack of being able to do anything with our home gym. It is dusty down there, but I cannot use the machines, my back is tortured by anything. I am looking forward to the day I can put on my athletic shoes and shorts and tank top again and be slim enough to look good in it ;) and take off on a slow lope around the lake! :D: I can dream, can't I? :)
*And if by chance they cannot rid me of the pain, then I will learn to deal with it and live with it the best I can for the rest of my life. I am NOT gonna shoot myself if they cannot fix it! There is too much fun to be had at WDW and Disneyland and in the world! :D: *

I know this was long, but my rant is over now... and only positive vibes from now on! We will only get only good reports and we will see progress in this journey!~
Susi*my back hurts now, but maybe not forever*slicker :p:

[hobie16]

What's at Area 51?
A friend was stationed at Area 51 or Groom Lake. He worked on the SR-71. He said it was just another base with LOTS of security.

[hobie16]

We NEED a month away from this arid hell hole.:p:
Sues

Come to Hawaii brah, but not right now. It's raining cats and Samoans and the wind is gusting to 45 mph.

[hobie16]

I know this was long, but my rant is over now....and only positive vibes from now on!
Rant on! Kaiser still sucks. The opiates really screw you up. I've used vicodin twice due to a tree beating me up and finding a wet spot in a reducing radius corner while riding my bike. I quit after two weeks. That crap makes you stupid and ruins your lower tract.

Good luck with the new docs. Sounds like they've got a good plan for you.

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

Oh yeah, the Kaiser thing and my back thing....
(RANT REDACTED)... I know this was long, but my rant is over now....and only positive vibes from now on! We will only get only good reports and we will see progress in this journey!~
Susi*my back hurts now, but maybe not forever*slicker:p:

Sooooo you don't LIKE kaiser? Thats what it sounds like to me!
(sorry... HEY...PIRATE)

On the good side, it sounds like you have found some people that can treat you, and not the symptoms!!

I know a LOT of people in my office have dropped Kaiser as their health insurance!! DW and I switched to Atena years ago, and have always gotten prompt service!

[DisneyMom]

Susi, I'm really glad you are finally getting somewhere with your back....Hope you will get what you need to get back to yourself again. I agree that sometimes you need to get another opinion whenever you KNOW in your gut that you are not getting the right answer. I hope that the need for the meds will resolve, and I can't wait to see your energy level THEN!:eek:
As a side note, this reminds me a bit about my son with Autism. I cannot tell you how many times someone came up to me with their own theory of how things should be for him, and how things wouldn't change(One elementary school Principal in Beaumont, CA. told me that I should have him institutionalized when he was about 6 years old)but I just went with my instincts and things turned out about as well as they can for him, graduating from high School and now going to College and entering the workforce. Things aren't perfect, but THANK GOD I didn't listen to the "EXPERTS".

[Princess Susi]

Susi, I'm really glad you are finally getting somewhere with your back....Hope you will get what you need to get back to yourself again. I agree that sometimes you need to get another opinion whenever you KNOW in your gut that you are not getting the right answer. I hope that the need for the meds will resolve, and I can't wait to see your energy level THEN!:eek:
As a side note, this reminds me a bit about my son with Autism. I cannot tell you how many times someone came up to me with their own theory of how things should be for him, and how things wouldn't change(One elementary school Principal in Beaumont, CA. told me that I should have him institutionalized when he was about 6 years old)but I just went with my instincts and things turned out about as well as they can for him, graduating from high School and now going to College and entering the workforce. Things aren't perfect, but THANK GOD I didn't listen to the "EXPERTS".

Thanks all for your support!
Disneymom you hit it on the head, You HAVE to trust your instincts and go with your gut. (Course with my gut I can't go very fast any more!:twisted:) I am so glad you trusted YOURSELF and not the experts with your son and see..he turned out to be a functioning member of society, better than some of the slackers out there! He is lucky to have a mom like you. Some may have listened to the fool doctors and what a loss that would be.:(
I know now to PUSH back when Kaiser starts with their "But, we can't...But...But..." that is until I can find new medical insurance.
sues

[SRT_GB]

I know now to PUSH back when Kaiser starts with their "But, we can't...But...But..." that is until I can find new medical insurance.

I've heard nothing but crap about Kaiser. I'll spare you my own personal stories, but I will say that I'm glad they don't have any presence in Seattle.

Hope everything turns out for the better!

[Kwahati]

I know a LOT of people in my office have dropped Kaiser as their health insurance!! DW and I switched to Atena years ago, and have always gotten prompt service!

Now, I'm happy that Susi might get some decent treatment and actually get better, but this is sorta missing my point. This whole situation is a by-product of this screwed up way of looking at things that the US has adopted. Health care shouldn't be about making money. I'm cool with paying doctors what they're worth, but everybody should have equal access to the same care. It shouldn't matter what preexisting conditions exist, whether you select the wrong program, or even if you have enough money to pay at all!

The ship is sinking, people are dying, and I, for one, will not continue simply playing my violin until we all go under.

Good luck, Susi. I really hope you do start to feel better! (But if you need anywhere to offload some of that morphine or some of those pills... :p:)

[DisneyMom]

Now, I'm happy that Susi might get some decent treatment and actually get better, but this is sorta missing my point. This whole situation is a by-product of this screwed up way of looking at things that the US has adopted. Health care shouldn't be about making money. I'm cool with paying doctors what they're worth, but everybody should have equal access to the same care. It shouldn't matter what preexisting conditions exist, whether you select the wrong program, or even if you have enough money to pay at all!



As a Nurse, I agree! But how are we going to accomplish it? I know that even in countries that provide the care for all, I hear there are problems with getting some of the care(waiting months/years for operations, for example).A perfect system would succeed by preventative measures(people would have less health issues by doing ALL the right things, and therefore would not "take advantage' of the system, etc.)but unfortunately, people are so flawed,the powers that be are so flawed, our environmental factors are so flawed...
I am not meaning to get into any sort of debate(not smart enough for the answers)I just am overwhelmed at the Health Care Mess!:(

[hobie16]

As a side note, this reminds me a bit about my son with Autism. I cannot tell you how many times someone came up to me with their own theory of how things should be for him, and how things wouldn't change...
My step son was born with a laundry list of problems including spina bifida. My wife was told she could either leave him at the hospital or take him home to die. Door #3 was a life flight to Stanford. He's now 20 and a productive member of society.

Another problem SB kids face is tethered spine. Basically, the spinal column bonds to the hip bones and as the kid grows the spine stretches and eventually breaks the nerves. A number of people within the SB community say let it happen and the kid can use a wheelchair for the rest of his life. Morons! That got fixed too. He does need braces and crutches for any distance but he does get around. We use a chair at DL as he gets pretty pooped but the CMs move him up to the front. They don't ask to see any paperwork either.

[DisneyMom]

Hobie, thanks for letting us know about your step-son, I admire all the strength you have to go thru this with your Family- Autism is one thing, but up to now, it mostly has seemed to bother OTHER people more than myself or my son(The real challenge of going through life with a limited adult are just starting to descend on us)Where your son has had a PHYSICAL fight which seems a lot more painful in a lot of ways-I also admire your resolve to keep him out of a wheelchair-so many bad complications can occur when someone is wheelchair-bound. I hope I am saying all this in a good way, and you should be proud of all that he has accomplished, and proud of you and your wife.

[hobie16]

Thanks DMom. I married into the situation with a pretty good idea of what was needed. It has been overwhelming at times but we've worked through the issues/problems/medical emergencies.

Don't feel like the Lone Ranger when you're dealing with school bozos or medical dunces when you trying to get services for your son. They all play the same stalling game whether it's a physical or emotional issue with the kids. Hawaii was so bad a suit was brought in federal court against the state school system. They were monitored by a federal judge for almost ten years.

Federal, state and local social services will lie about what they will offer until it comes to stepping up to the plate. Then it's we've reevaluated the child and he no longer qualifies. It takes the threat or action of getting a rat terrier lawyer or going public to get them off their dead asses.

My son (I feel I can call him that as his weasel father has done nothing for him in twenty years) has done well. He will always be physically and mentally challenged but he's a good kid with a big heart who works hard. He got a job at Safeway where many of our friends stop by to give him a bad time. He loves it.

Enough of my rant. The sun has finally broken through so I'm gonna go outside and see if I can warm up my toes.

[Kwahati]

As a Nurse, I agree! But how are we going to accomplish it? I know that even in countries that provide the care for all, I hear there are problems with getting some of the care(waiting months/years for operations, for example).A perfect system would succeed by preventative measures(people would have less health issues by doing ALL the right things, and therefore would not "take advantage' of the system, etc.)but unfortunately, people are so flawed,the powers that be are so flawed, our environmental factors are so flawed...
I am not meaning to get into any sort of debate(not smart enough for the answers)I just am overwhelmed at the Health Care Mess!:(

Hey, I don't want to drag you into a debate you don't want to be in, but the countries that are doing it right really don't have these problems our government wants us to believe they have. There might be isolated incidents of things like waiting for surgeries, but certainly nothing large scale. Yes, you will see malingering in any socialized health care system (or any health care system for that matter, like you imply people basically suck!), but the good ones are built to tolerate that. Talk to people from France or Canada (my roommates and I have done some work with Canadian military and they brought a bunch of civilians with them...we chatted) the situation is good and they like their health care. They do end up having less long term problems because more people do take care of the preventative stuff like they should. Further, having to pay for people's care leads the government to make better decisions for the health of all citizens like strongly discouraging smoking and treating alcohol and drug addictions as quickly and often as possible. Basically, at the end of the day, all these things add up to make it so there's not much of a system to take advantage of (or, really, no harm in taking advantage of it). If there's the slightest indication you're sick, you go see a doctor and, if there's anything to find, they'll do their utmost to find it because it's better for their entire civilization that they find it early!

I hope that's not too debatish for you. I'm not trying to argue with anybody, I just want to spread the knowledge I've had the joy of gaining through my travels abroad and my work with foreigners here in the States. I love our country enough that I signed up to defend it, and I'd love to see it get even better!:)

Edited to add: I make no secret of that I'm registered as a Democrat. The thing is, I also make no secret of that the Dems we have now are pussies (they have a good idea once in a while, but they'll hapilly compromise it to avoid getting called a mean name by the other side). The problem is, the Republicans are assholes. We need a major overhaul of the system and the pussies are too weak to get it done and the assholes are too mean to do anything that's not completely to the detriment of people everywhere. I'd be an independant, but I like voting in primaries (makes me feel like I have some control over my own fate) and they will never have a valid chance in an election run under the electoral college system. At the end of the day, it's not that there aren't people with good ideas out there, its that, by the time they rise to the level where they can do something great, they squander it by turning into a pussy or an asshole who, either way, is completely beholden to the money men who got them there. :( (Really, I'm only a liberal in this country...every other civilized country wonders why you should care who someone chooses to marry and thinks health care is a basic human right...I could go on, but everyone's stopped reading by now anyway...)

[hobie16]

I could go on, but everyone's stopped reading by now anyway...)

I didn't. Good thoughts.

[DisneyMom]

Kwahati, I will always welcome/appreciate information on Health Care, like I said, I am not informed enough to debate about this subject, just relating what some people from other countries have told me, probably pretty subjective stuff. I will again echo what was said about the powers that be being too screwed up, I have lost faith in so many things! I just didn't want to instigate any arguments on our happy forum, I like how we all seem to be having a good time.:)

[Randy B]

(Gahhhhhhhhhh...CLOWNS...evil buggers!, we did NOT go to Cirque, maybe I will try next trip to get over the clown thing...)

It's easy. Just "immunize" yourself. Get Ralph one of those foam rubber red noses and have him wear it to bet for a month. Then maybe another month starting with a little white makeup around the eyes, and expand each day until you end the month with full white face. After that when you see a white face and a red nose you will feel the emotions you feel for your wonderful hubby instead of the negative feelings from your past.

The only down side to this would be if you go too far. You know it worked too good if you have to leave the MK in the middle of SpectroMagic to drag your hubby back to the room. :D:

And who knows, maybe the process will inspire your hubby to "clown around" a bit, just for you. :D:

Randy

[Kwahati]

Kwahati, I will always welcome/appreciate information on Health Care, like I said, I am not informed enough to debate about this subject, just relating what some people from other countries have told me, probably pretty subjective stuff. I will again echo what was said about the powers that be being too screwed up, I have lost faith in so many things! I just didn't want to instigate any arguments on our happy forum, I like how we all seem to be having a good time.:)

Well, to be honest I don't know anything about health care specifically (I've spoken to some people too, just like you...yes, it probably is highly subjective). And my mother's a nurse (formerly NICU and pediatrics, now a school nurse at a school for the deaf & blind in Jacksonville), so I pretty much call her any time I have health related questions... That's what moms are for, right?:D: Beyond that, I've got some ideals I adhere to strongly and some ideas I think are good. I know, though, that both Communism and Reganomics *sounded* good in the idea stage...but we all know how they both turned out, so who really knows if my ideas are any good? I agree that the powers that be are screwed up, but I hope and pray that something good will happen for this country sometime soon. I see so many people working so hard on a daily basis, many of them in the face of a complete lack of faith from the public in their ability to get anything done simply because they're associated with the government (my roommates and friends in the intel field, the people I support at the Corps of Engineers and the Army...) and they are trying so hard to make things better, but each person can only do so much (and about half of the population in any place or any job are essentially SG's) and it's been a long time since this country has found the motivation and drive to work together...

Regardless of all that, according to the rules of the forums, arguments are fine so long as they don't devolve into attacks on others. I think quite highly of you (as, I'm sure, most of the regulars around here do) and I hope you and they feel similarly about me. If anybody wants to share anything, their opinion will be valued by me, if not necessarily agreed with. ;) I hope, further, that discussing this further didn't offend you in any way...like I said, it's just something I feel strongly about and it's at the forefront of my mind as I struggle to pay for medical services I was specifically told I would not be charged for. I won't lie that I envy Susi's lot in life that she has the luxury of choice (although I don't envy her pain). Beyond that, I'm aware that there are people in the world, and probably even here, who would envy my lot in life, that I'm lucky enough to have a job with benefits, even if they aren't the greatest...I know I get better medical care than my roommates now that I'm out of the military...at the same time, theirs is free...

It's a harsh world out there and I value all the people here at SGT who allow all comers to join the group around the fire as we tell our story...

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

Hmm, so you DON'T like having medical insurance coverage during an E-stop?

[DisneyMom]

Thanks, Kwahati, again your thoughts and info are appreciated, and I very much like to hear info from everyone on anything. I find this forum a great place for exactly that(kind of a great party without the finding something to wear and the clean-up) and I think you and all of our Posters are Smart, Funny and Cool....

My Kids would call me EMO right now!:o:
Luv You All!

[Big Wallaby]

Awwww....

Just for the record, I like you both.

[Notatourist]

God, I hope WDW isn't going to start charging for a FOL Pass. Universal has the Express Pass which you buy (and costs a LOT) and is called a FOL Pass but in the end works exactly the same as Disney's FastPass which is free.

It still is the Express Pass. The only front of the line access to Universal's Rides is the VIP tour...

[Princess Susi]

I didn't. Good thoughts.

What he said! Well said, Kwahati! And you too Disneymom!
Health care in any country can be a polarizing subject. Everyone has their own opinions. I love that we here at SGT can discuss any of those things without falling into the ad hominem attack. And I always love to hear different sides to a subject. I always learn something new, whether it be about the person posting or the subject when I listen in or participate in a discussion. That is always a cool thing, learning new info you did not have before. Getting edumacated!!!:)

sooze

[DisneyMom]

Awwww....

Just for the record, I like you both.

Group Hug!:grouphug:

[Princess Susi]

Group Hug!:grouphug:
I love Hugs! I am a sap for them. So is Ralph. Hugs are his FAVORITE thing in the world!:grouphug: Backatcha Disney Mom! :D:
susi*I'm a...hugging fool, not a dancin' fool;)*slicker
hobie, you will get that reference to "dancin' fool" heh heh heh...;)

[BRWombat]

I love that we here at SGT can discuss any of those things without falling into the ad hominem attack...Except for the lousy, stinkin' SGs!!!! :D:

[Princess Susi]

Except for the lousy, stinkin' SGs!!!! :D:
Truer words have never been spoken...well, they may have been spoken, but not here...well, maybe here, but not this morning...well, maybe those are just as true as the truest of words! YEAH! I AM in a weird mood, so what!:twisted:
sues

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

This board isn't gonna succumb to a friggin coombya tree-hugging group love in! I wanna talk about Sg's walkin the plank, spilling blood on the decks, and generally feelin good about SGT while showing disdain for those that can't realize that they ARE SG's and should be put out of their mysery by being hit with a BIG bus, or tour car, or 2x4, or.....

[Princess Susi]

Feeling Grumpy, Grumpy..?Hmmmmmmmm.....a little huggin once in a while is good for your soul, Pirate! So there!:p:
susi*hugs Grumpy Pirate while he squirms*slicker Bwahahahahaha

[Big Wallaby]

Last post of the thirteenth page.

On the Tomorrowland Indy Speedway yesterday, I saw one nasty little twit... actually a couple of them. They wanted to see just how hard they could make one car hit the next, so they held up a line of about 20 cars behind them.

It's sad to see SG's in the parks in general and the things they do, but when you then give them control of a ride vehicle...

It was my first time on that since I've moved down here. Most uncomfortable ride vehicle I've ever been in. My legs were sore the next half hour.

As much fun as it looks like it would be to cycle out Indy (and that would be better than Autopia, from what I remember), I'd rather not have that experience.

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

I thought that if you hit too hard, it would shut off the engine?

[DisneyMom]

This board isn't gonna succumb to a friggin coombya tree-hugging group love in! I wanna talk about Sg's walkin the plank, spilling blood on the decks, and generally feelin good about SGT while showing disdain for those that can't realize that they ARE SG's and should be put out of their mysery by being hit with a BIG bus, or tour car, or 2x4, or.....

Feeling Grumpy, Grumpy..?Hmmmmmmmm.....a little huggin once in a while is good for your soul, Pirate! So there!:p:
susi*hugs Grumpy Pirate while he squirms*slicker Bwahahahahaha

Hahaha, Grumpy! Yer gittin' Hugs no matter how you feel about it!(DisneyMom laughs maniacally):twisted:

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

Hahaha, Grumpy! Yer gittin' Hugs no matter how you feel about it!(DisneyMom laughs maniacally):twisted:

Ummmm BAD TOUCH.... BAD TOUCH......

[mechurchlady]

Ummmm BAD TOUCH.... BAD TOUCH......

Churchy hugs Grumpy Pirate 4 times.

[Princess Susi]

Everyone! Quick! HUG the Pirate. Maybe he will be less Grumpy. Hugs make you Happy, so he will have to be called Happy Pirate from now on!!:p:
Neener! Neener! Neener! Take that Pirate.:twisted: (you know you WILL see Grumpy Pirate getting hugged in the Neverending Story now, don't you?)
susi*sticks out her tongue at Pirate:p:*slicker

[mechurchlady]

This is now the "You Made Us E - Stop the Attraction to hug Grumpy Pirate" Thread

Churchy joins in with other SGT ladies in hugging Grump Pirate

[Princess Susi]

Keep hugging him, Churchy! We can make that Pirate happy yet!:D:
sues

[DisneyMom]

Poor Grumpy! Remember what happened to Captain Jack when Elizabeth got affectionate with him!:twisted:

[Cranbiz]

What a novel idea. A SGT thread going off topic. :p:





I don't wanna hug the pirate, I wants the red head!;)

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

What a novel idea. A SGT thread going off topic. :p:





I don't wanna hug the pirate, I wants the red head!;)

I vote for that!!

[mechurchlady]

Churchy dyes her hair red then hugs Cranbiz then Grumpy Pirate.
She does this once every other hour except from midnight to 6 am as they need their beauty sleep.

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

I feel a little sick, did you use RED dye number 5???????