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Driver_dylan

09-17-2006, 09:36 PM

Recently I was spending one of my few days off over at Downtown Disney when I came across the following SGT.
Now I am not one to mince words so I'll cut to the chase. I smoke cigars. I enjoy doing so, and do this in moderation. I also smoke good cigars and will think nothing of dropping a twenty on a single stick. So after I went to the cigar shop, seleced my choice stick and sat down on the far side of the walk under a clearly marked smokeing section next to an ashtray. I did not expect to cause a problem, but never the less, Trouble found me. No sooner than my cigar been set to tourch then I could over hear to my left some ass giveing me the fake cough. You smokers know the one.

Hack....Sputter.....Choke...Choke....Weeze...Choke.! Then Repete! :twisted:

After a few minutes, of which I did not respond. This woman (this is only a guess mind you as it's weight was equal to a city bus, as was it's size.) got up and spoke to a security guard who I only assume told her that I was where I am supposed to be in my chosen endever. Though I had to give her credit, she was not to be undaunted, she returned to her party and sat down on the bench next to me. (After the horid screams of agony from the bench subsided) I began to hear her converse with her party about how disgusting smoking is and how it should be abolished, and how smokers should be wipped, stoned, drawn and quartered, and then forced to run the New York Marathon. ;) Then this bitch got personal, She begain to talk about how smokers are usually low brough and stupid, lazy, and how much of a drain on the health care system I would be. :twisted: Then as if to drive home the point that she was talking about me, She turned and asked me if I agree with her fat ass. :pissed: This was my reply.

Clamly I explained to the woman that I dissagreed with her and her partys assesment of me. I told her that I in fact have a (explitive deleted) degree an Cinimatography and am working on a second (explitive deleted) degree in Photography. I explained that I have two (several explitives deleted) Jobs, and when I'm not at either of them, I am devoting my time to my own (explitive deleted) production company. I then went on to explaining that how I work seven days a week and enjoy what little free time that I (explitive deleted) do have, and how dare she make me feel guilty. Next I explained that I may develope health problems, but No more than here fat ass, and at least when I die, they won't have to hire a Mack Truck to carry me (explitive deleted) off, like when she crokes. A condition more than likely from chokeing on the next ham sandwitch she tries to ramrod down that endless (explitive deleted) expance of a gullet she may try to call a mouth. :D:

By this time I had drawn a crowd, and I thought it best to leave before security tried to step in. Yet before I did, I showed her by way of hand gesture, just what I thought of her and her party.

Now, I am calling on all the smokers out there to Unite. Tell me what you think. Please tell me if I'm wrong. I don't mind giveing up a smokeing section or two if there are children around, or even if there is a strong wind which may carry the smoke, but I refuse to give up my last bastion of pleasure to Natzi's like this woman.

Lastly, her party was made up of herself, about 30, an older woman about 50+, and an older man about 60+. No children were around as this was about 4pm on a friday.

mechurchlady

09-17-2006, 10:29 PM

I am staunchly anti-smoking.
There are many sins that i hate and I abhor some of them very much.
HOWEVER, we are to hate the sin not the sinner. I hate smoking but cannot hate or shun smokers. That is wrong wrong wrong.

This means that I cannot go to a smoking section of a park, plop my large rump and whine about cigarette smoke. I cannot hate smokers even if smoking makes me puke. The smoking area is for smokers so if I do not like it then I should stay out of that area just like I stay out of bars.

The fat lady had no right to verbally abuse you and you should have called security and asked that the tow truck haul her fat arse out of the park. Seen people do that same thing to other people and not just smoker. She ruined the day for you and her family but she does not care because she won.

And it does not matter if kids are in the area. It says smoking area so enter at your risk unless you have no other option. I do find sometimes Disney puts smoking areas in the most inaccessible areas or too close to where nonsmokers are located such as lines. Disneyland had a smoking area next to the lagoon and when lines got long the guests in line got whiffs of cigarette smoke.

It is very sad and she probably cruises the malls and parks for trouble. I wish you had had her booted for harrassing you. Or at least you had gotten the whole thing on tape and then aired in online. woot.

Kwahati

09-18-2006, 12:20 AM

Now, I am calling on all the smokers out there to Unite. Tell me what you think.

*Hack...cough...choke...wheeze* We're with you Dylan! (But we're all out of breath so we won't make a very convincing fighting force! :p: ) Seriously, though: It's not like there are a ton of smoking areas around the parks anyway and those of us who follow the rules and go to the appropriate lepur colonies to do our thing really shouldn't be persecuted. Even as far as the smoking area on Rivers of America at DL, I'd argue that location of the area ain't my fault! (And, to be honest, I had *no idea* that there was any attraction queue close enough to be bothered) I'd say you handled the situation well Dylan. I usually lose my temper and end up making a remark to the effect of: "I appreciate your opinion, but I just don't think that the only male in your group looks tough enough to back up all the sh*t you're talking. **turning to the male** You know, you should put a leash on that dog before it gets you in trouble!" :twisted: (Disclaimer: I'm not trying to imply that guys should [or even can] control females or anything like that, it's just that there is *never* a reason for a guy to lay hands on a female in anger, but I'll happily mess up a guy for what the female with him is saying...not that he can control it necessarily, but him remaining silent implies that he consents.)

LittleDollClaudia

09-18-2006, 01:54 AM

Driver Dylan, you get MY thumbs up! I have long listened to BS from people who have no flippin' business telling me how I am killing myself, blah blah blah. This HAS been talked about in another forum but I'll say it again. There are as far as I know 3 smoking areas, count 'em, in Disneyland. I always sit in those areas to enjoy my nicotine. Inevitably, some jackass will sit down with their child and have the nerve to glare or make a snide comment about how awful I am. Now, bastard, there are several other benches across the park and you knew this was a smoking section BEFORE you sat your happy ass down! F**k you with your fake coughing and complaints. I would have and I have done the exact thing you did. And for all the bitchy non-smokers, there really isn't any smoking area in DTD. Almost everywhere outside is fair game. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that these f**ks sat down way after you were enjoying that sweet cigar.

It's amazing that (in my experience) it is almost always some cow who needs to put down the goddamn Big Mac who makes a stink. Yeah, I said it. Prove me wrong and I'll shut up. I love the fact that they give such grief about it, but I'm sorry your blubber isn't healthy either. You are more likely to die from a heart attack carrying around those 300 lbs. as opposed to inhaling my second hand smoke that you can easily move away from. I know there are assholes out there who don't care and will smoke anywhere but this was not the case and I don't cotton to that crap either.

But I for one will stand by you and hell, join you in a smoke too. Let me know the next time you'll be journeying to DTD and I'll be there.

mechurchlady

09-18-2006, 02:08 AM

*Hack...cough...choke...wheeze*
I iinhaled a lot of dust working as a parking lot sweeping machine operator. I actually do gag and puke around cigarette smoke and it is real. I also puke with lysol air spray and some perfumes as well.

When I see someone smoking I avoid them or stand up wind if I HAVE to talk to them. What is so hard as avoiding a smoker. I wish that woman could know what it really is like to get puking sick from smoke. I found out that giving up fast food helped me lose 40 pounds.

Churchy is passing out hugs to you smokers.

Notatourist

09-18-2006, 07:56 AM

Allergies. They make the world go round for some folks, myself included. I'm anti-smoking in restaurants, only due to rude smokers who have "ruined it for everyone" in my world.

Dylan, honey, if I had been there, I would have pleasantly smiled, looked at this excuse for a human being and said...

"While you're busy complaining about how I am smoking, can you not read the sign that says YOU are in a smoking section? I'm abiding by the rules, which means I can smoke and you can go elsewhere."

That should shut her up. If not, remind her politely that your taxes as well will probably go to pulling her out of a building when her weight eventually catches up with her. (I know you did, but there's a certain tone you can give this wonderful woman).

Also, and this is a personal favorite of mine..remind her that obesity is NOT a handicap.

From a fellow cinematographer.

mechurchlady

09-18-2006, 08:40 AM

I had time while doing dishes to think about this matter and why it hit me so hard. I have seen people like her do the same thing to other types of people. It can be another religion, race or manner of lifestyle. I personally have seen this done to a multi ethnic couple and gays.

Seen that happen too many times in my life to know her type.

Syndrome

09-18-2006, 08:43 AM

Being around smoke for too long flares up my sinus problems, so I fall into the anti-smoking camp. But if you were smoking in a designated area, that woman had absolutely no right to lip off to you like that. I simply stay away from smoking areas, which it is quite simple to do. Here in Florida, smoking is forbidden in virtually all indoor places, so smokers have few havens here in America's wang. People who don't like smoke should simply walk quickly past the smoking areas at the theme parks and leave the rule-following smokers alone.

With that being said, I will be the first person to speak up to a smoker who lights up in a non-smoking area (when I lived in Chicago, the number of smokers who tried to puff away in non-smoking restaurant sections amazed me...they would often plead ignorance, which just doesn't wash when you have to specifically ask for non and wait an extra half hour to get it). But I'll also be happy to stand up for the rights of smokers who are exercising their rights in designated areas.

tacoboy

09-18-2006, 11:22 AM

so smokers have few havens here in America's wang.

they prefer to call it the sunshine state :D:

I too am an anti smoking person and like churchy think we should hate the sin but not the sinner. (some of my best friends are smokers) but there is only one exception and that is that group of people that deliberately break state and park laws by smoking in children's areas, animal areas (no you can NOT throw your cigarette into the dolphin pool!) and places where there clearly is a no smoking sign.
when i tell most guests that the area they are in is non smoking, they immediately extinguish their ciggarette and thank me for telling them. But some people actually curse me off for telling them so. Those are the smokers who i dislike but as long as you follow the rules you are cool in my book.

Driver_dylan

09-18-2006, 04:29 PM

Thank you for the comments, I do understand that people have allergies and I know that children should not be exposed to it. I would never smoke around them. I just get tired of the do gooders who have to mind everyones business. Leave me alone and I would certently be happier.

ZanneTD

09-18-2006, 05:27 PM

Hubby and I are both smokers, and have pretty much mapped out each smoking section in WDW. Even when I'm in the smoking section (affectionately known as the 'Leper Colony'), though, I can't help but feel like I'm on display (although not quite as bad as in Atlanta/Hartsfield International Airport). I've even felt self-conscious when I see someone on the bench next to me and (almost) apologize if the smoke bothers them - only to remember they're smoking too! :D:

Also, is it me? Or are there more smoking rooms on WDW property now? We were at the WLV last week, and there were rooms that obviously had the "No Smoking" signs taken off of room doors - there was still adhesive on some of the doors?

Oh, btw, Jellyrolls at the Boardwalk was still a smoking bar last time I went there - we could take over! ;) :twisted:

Yeti Chaser

09-18-2006, 05:38 PM

Driver Dylan: At least you are considerate of others when you smoke. Look at all of those guests in the park who do not smoke in the appropiate areas and become upset when you remind them of where the closest area is. Also just as replusive are those smokers who drop their cigarette butts on the walkways in the parks. Even this CM has limits as to what kind of trash he will pick up with his hands. Oh, one other thing............ I am a "former" smoker of pipes, cigars and an occastional cigarette. We are the the worst critics of smokers, especially those who don't have proper manners (present company, you, excluded)

Oh, the occasional craving for a good cigar...................... :bawl:

dash1bravo

09-18-2006, 08:04 PM

... I explained that I may develope health problems, but No more than here fat ass, and at least when I die, they won't have to hire a Mack Truck to carry me (explitive deleted) off, like when she crokes. A condition more than likely from chokeing on the next ham sandwitch she tries to ramrod down that endless (explitive deleted) expance of a gullet she may try to call a mouth. :D:

I've been laughing about this all day since I read your post this morning. Oh to be a fly on the wall.

I used to chew tobacco (it was a prerequisite for military life) and my family, all of whom are obese, used to chide me for it at every opportunity. I never was so bold as to point out the irony of their health lectures, but the thought crossed my mind many times. :twisted:

Now I'm addicted to Nicorette gum and I get frequent inquiries as to when I plan on giving that up. Guess I can't win :D:

hobie16

09-18-2006, 08:42 PM

I used to chew tobacco (it was a prerequisite for military life):What unit were you in, the 42nd Redneck Batallion?!?!

ThunderCat

09-18-2006, 11:26 PM

So after I went to the cigar shop, seleced my choice stick and sat down on the far side of the walk under a clearly marked smokeing section next to an ashtray. I did not expect to cause a problem, but never the less, Trouble found me.
As far as I'm concerned, you were there as a guest, and smoking in a designated smoking section.

End of argument.

I'm afraid I would have been a bit more proactive in that situation. At the first sound of fakey-coughing, I would have turned to the woman and said, "Hey, with a cough like that, you'd better not take up smoking," and would have followed-up any reply with "This is a designated smoking area. If you have a problem, here's a tip: why don't you sit away from the smoking section?"

Main Streeter

09-18-2006, 11:34 PM

What unit were you in, the 42nd Redneck Batallion?!?!
:hysteria: :D: hobie, absolutely love this post. You made my night. ;)

darph nader

09-19-2006, 12:52 AM

What unit were you in, the 42nd Redneck Batallion?!?!

I'm in the 101st,or is the 82nd? :cool:

Beer drinking,smoking,agostic,rednecks RULE! :rolleyes:

darph nader

09-19-2006, 02:49 AM

Just out of curiosity,how do these people/non smokers,put up with rush hour traffic? Hell,I was stuck in gridlock last week,and I was more worryed about getting rear ended by some j-hole on their cell-phone than carbon-monoxide fumes. :eek:

Syndrome

09-19-2006, 07:42 AM

Also, is it me? Or are there more smoking rooms on WDW property now? We were at the WLV last week, and there were rooms that obviously had the "No Smoking" signs taken off of room doors - there was still adhesive on some of the doors?
Actually, I think it's the opposite. Aren't all WDW hotel rooms non-smoking now? I remember hearing something about that a few months back but don't know the date it was supposed to happen.

GaTechGal

09-19-2006, 10:25 AM

I'm in the 101st,or is the 82nd? :cool:

Beer drinking,smoking,agostic,rednecks RULE! :rolleyes:
I'm not sure you can be agnostic AND a redneck. :confused:

Klause

09-19-2006, 07:14 PM

Hey man, for all you non-smokers out there, good for you, stay healthy and be happy. But c'mon just let us have our tiny little smoking area without telling us we're killing ourselves, or that I'm going to die a horrible painful death. I mean jeez, even the pack of cigarettes I got on me has a lecture printed on it. Ya kicked us out of restaurants, which I can deal with. If you don't smoke, why would you want to breath all that in while your eating? And I'm still trying to deal with the whole bar thing. Beer and smokes, it's like football and pretzels, or steak and potatoes! But please, just let us have our few minutes while we freeze our tails off in the smoking area 3 blocks away from the rest of civilization. Please!

By the way, hi I'm Klause, and I like going to disney, and smoking in the smoking sections!

dash1bravo

09-19-2006, 07:48 PM

What unit were you in, the 42nd Redneck Batallion?!?!

:D: Something like that..er... "I reckon".

Honestly, when you're stuck patrolling or pulling guard duty in sub-freezing temperatures at 3am with 2 hours of sleep you reach for whatever keeps you going. Smoking in the field is a no no, and coffee isn't terribly suited to transportation in a canteen... so chewing tobacco is the fuel of choice for many, many soldiers.

Not proud of it, and I wouldn't recommend it but the buzz is quite good.

Zazu

09-19-2006, 09:02 PM

A while back, I had a guest complain about someone smoking *in* the smoking area. I advised them that it *was* a smoking area, and they had no call to complain. When they offered to go give the smokers a piece of their mind (what little they had to spare), I pointed out quite pointedly that if they bothered any of my guests about smoking in the smoking area, I *would* call security and they *would* be tossed out of the Park.

Yeah, you and I know that Security wouldn't have, even if they showed up, but the whiner didn't know that. She had to settle for giving my nametag a hard stare and marching off in the general direction of City Hall.

I've watched the smoking are shrink from the entire planet to a few small oases. Yeah, it's nasty if you have to work downwind, but as any smoker can tell you, it's onle of the hardest habits to quit. I think any smoker who's willing to stick to the right places deserves their peace.

No, I only smoke when on fire. It's just a matter of civility and justice.

hobie16

09-19-2006, 09:33 PM

...and coffee isn't terribly suited to transportation in a canteen...Back when we still had metal canteens there was a guy in my unit that had a hole rot through his from carrying whiskey in it.

darph nader

09-19-2006, 10:28 PM

I'm not sure you can be agnostic AND a redneck. :confused:

Why not? :confused:
We always get non/smoking rooms(I smoke outside,with a cold one of course,unless it's in the morning,then it's coffee) :cool:

mechurchlady

09-20-2006, 01:29 AM

No, I only smoke when on fire. It's just a matter of civility and justice.
I read about how you saved all of Disneyland from a smoker who threw a lit cigarette out of the train and had Adventureland blazing. Ok so over time the story has gotten exhagerated a wee bit, lol. :rolleyes:

Notatourist

09-20-2006, 07:46 AM

Churchy,

I believe it was Disneyworld.

mechurchlady

09-20-2006, 08:00 AM

Churchy,

I believe it was Disneyworld.
http://www.stupidguesttricks.com/vb3/showthread.php?t=410

I am west coast and see the world in west coast pictures.
Very interesting story indeed.

so at least I felt virtuous about "saving the park," no matter how lame I felt otherwise (pun intended).

My hero who saved Disneyworld from eminent danger caused by a stupid smoking guest.

GaTechGal

09-20-2006, 08:03 AM

Why not? :confused:

I think if you are going to claim to be a redneck you are also required to be a Baptist - preferably Southern Baptist.

Syndrome

09-20-2006, 11:38 AM

And I'm still trying to deal with the whole bar thing. Beer and smokes, it's like football and pretzels, or steak and potatoes!
Even as a radical non-smoker, I can sympathize with you on this one!! Here in FL, bars are exempt from the non-smoking law as long as they don't get a certain amount of revenue from food sales. Some non-smokers hate that exception, but I think that they are whiners. Why begrudge the smokers a bar where they can light up? If I want to drink without dealing with cigarettes, I can go to a smoke-free restaurant bar in Friday's or Bennigan's.

LittleDollClaudia

09-21-2006, 01:01 AM

The thing that people don't seem to get is that there will ALWAYS be smokers, regardless of you trying to shove them into a leper colony. Mark my words, at some point, you keep denying us a place to relax and enjoy our nicotine, smokers will revolt and make YOU stand in the freezing cold wondering what the fuck just happened. This is for the smokers who follow the rules properly, not the numbskulls who happily blow smoke right into anyone's face with a sneer. THOSE bastards aren't even allowed in this section. But for some reason, we are all lumped together. Look, I move away from others, especially babies and elderly, but damn it you had better accommodate me seeing as I do for every stupid thing that you say or try to do to me. I am still here and guess what I am NOT going to dissolve just because you feel it's your duty to chew me out. Take a long look at yourself before you condemn me. I bet horns are holding up your halo too.

:takes her soapbox to a quiet corner and has a smoke:

Kwahati

09-21-2006, 04:31 AM

Hey! Any opinionated non-smokers wanna see a magic trick?
*flicks cigarette at loud-mouth non-smoker*
Poof! I'm an a$$hole and you're an ashtray! :twisted:

Euterpe

09-21-2006, 10:23 AM

From a fellow cinematographer.

Off topic, but it's great to see so many filmmakers here. I'm a film major right now, and it's been part of my life since I was born.

But yes... Transferring to Operations has shown me exactly how retarded people can be. Haven't seen any smoking at the water parks yet, but I"m just waiting.

Driver_dylan

09-21-2006, 11:31 AM

Now I'm addicted to Nicorette gum and I get frequent inquiries as to when I plan on giving that up. Guess I can't win :D:

I've tried the gum, but it was a bitch to roll and hell to keep lit. :D:

ZanneTD

09-21-2006, 02:23 PM

Actually, I think it's the opposite. Aren't all WDW hotel rooms non-smoking now? I remember hearing something about that a few months back but don't know the date it was supposed to happen.

Nope. There are still smoking rooms in WDW, although the numbers are less than they were ten years ago.

EpcotGolfer

09-21-2006, 09:47 PM

While I agree that the OP was justified with their actions, there are a lot of smokers that are very annoying at the parks. Is it really too much to ask to contain your smoking in a few dozen isolated areas? I mean, come on, there are more smoking sections than bathrooms at all of the WDW parks. And calling them "leper colonies?" Most of them are nice, quiet, out of the way places with shade and/or a good view. If smokers should be able to smoke anywhere, why shouldn't I be able to urinate or defecate anywhere I want to? It's more natural than smoking and at least it (usually) won't kill me.

Marilou

09-22-2006, 03:26 AM

While I agree that the OP was justified with their actions, there are a lot of smokers that are very annoying at the parks. Is it really too much to ask to contain your smoking in a few dozen isolated areas? I mean, come on, there are more smoking sections than bathrooms at all of the WDW parks. And calling them "leper colonies?" Most of them are nice, quiet, out of the way places with shade and/or a good view. If smokers should be able to smoke anywhere, why shouldn't I be able to urinate or defecate anywhere I want to? It's more natural than smoking and at least it (usually) won't kill me.

A question to CM's...would you say there are more inconsiderate smokers in ratio to those of us that do abide by the rules? Just a curiosity question really.
Thinking back to my last few visits, I seem to recall more smoking areas in the hot sun with little or no shade available, but that may just be because those areas stick in my memory. Especially the one in TL by the Indy Speedway. As long as there is a shady area within sight for my kiddos to chill out away from the smoke while mom & I do our thing...that's fine with me.

Freak

09-22-2006, 04:57 AM

Im suprised Knotts hasnt changed their policy yet. We are still a smoking park -- save for Camp Snoopy. A common question is "are we allowed to smoke here?" in which I reply "Yep, you can smoke inside the park except for Camp Snoopy." Usually the guest has to ask if Im screwing with them or not, but its true, you can smoke inside Knotts still.

As for backstage? Well, lets just say EVERYONE smokes back there. :o:

Syndrome

09-22-2006, 11:56 AM

A question to CM's...would you say there are more inconsiderate smokers in ratio to those of us that do abide by the rules? Just a curiosity question really.
I'm not a CM (yet) but I live literally next door to WDW and spend an inordinate amount of time there. I'm also one of those people who can catch a whiff of smoke from a mile away, so I tend to notice when people are not smoking in the designated areas. I'd have to say that it used to be bad, but over the past year or so, it's pretty rare that I see someone not following the rules. In a four-hour park visit, I'll see maybe one or two smokers who are puffing away in non-designated areas (usually they're walking around while smoking, which galls me because I was was once burned by a careless smoker walking past me at Cedar Pont). To me, that seems like a pretty low percentage overall.

However, last time I visited AK (last week), there were TONS of people smoking in non-designated areas. Not sure what was up with that! And I've noticed that at Epcot smokers will light up in non-designated areas while waiting for Illuminations (they don't want to leave their prime spot but apparently can't make it through showtime without a "hit"). If they are near me, I remind them politely but firmly of the rules. I've had a few pull the "I don't speak English" card, but I can say "No smoking here" in a variety of languages. ;)

But still, I think that the law-abiding smokers far outnumber the rude ones, or at least in my frequent experience.

felinefan

09-23-2006, 03:41 AM

Actually, at Knott's it's no smoking in Camp Snoopy, bathrooms, restaurants, inside stores or in queues and on rides. When I worked there, it was amazing how many people couldn't see those red signs saying no smoking in Camp Snoopy, children are at play. I had a few people give me the rude tone when asking where they could smoke. We even had a couple of those "smoker's outposts" things at the entrance to Camp Snoopy from the main entrance, but people would knock them over alot.
I'm the only one in my family who never smoked; my mom and one of my sisters had to stop for health reasons. My mom, in fact, has COPD, as well as an abdominal aortic aneurysm; because of her COPD, caused by 55 years of smoking, she can't have the surgery to repair it. It's three inches too high for her to have a stent. It's getting close to the point where it is likely to burst. If that happens, I'm screwed. Long story, I'm sure I've told it before, but basically my parents got bad advice on me, and Mom especially took the crap about my (supposedly) not being able to live by myself, drive or hold down a real job to heart, and as a result I have problems getting decent work. As a result, I have hardly any money (had to cash out my 401k from Knott's--boy, did they take a bite out of it!), I have an eviction on my record, and I'm paying off student loans. I'll be on the street.
Mom tried several times to quit, and it wasn't until she was diagnosed 3 years ago that she quit. My sister with the health problems smoked and took birth control pills, and she ended up with a stroke. She's okay, but once in a great while she'll have an attack of some sort. My brother seems to be cutting back, but he'd better because of his heart problems. But that's what he gets for being such a picky eater--two fried eggs for breakfast every day; yep, that'll do it.
I'm not judging anyone, but really, has anyone calculated how much you're spending on something you got along without very well for a portion of your lives? If my mom had never smoked, or quit much sooner, she wouldn't be taking half the meds she's taking now, not to mention she'd have more money for living expenses. Of course, if she'd let me learn computers much earlier, allowed me to get a job that actually paid something and allowed me to live on my own, she wouldn't have to pay obscene amounts of money for a crumbling apartment run by a bunch of crooks like we are now. And I wouldn't have to worry about my future. Oh, well, as they say, hindsight is always 20/20....

Main Streeter

09-23-2006, 04:38 PM

because of her COPD, caused by 55 years of smokingAm not flaming or trying to contradict here -ok? :) Many many have COPD condition, even emphysema & have never smoked nor had parents who smoked. Disney Dr's statement, not mine. I'm a non smoker but refuse to preach to others & can't change the world.

mechurchlady

09-23-2006, 07:04 PM

I am back from Encinitatas and found something for the smokers.

I stopped at the rest stop on the I-5 near camp pendleton.

No smoking within 20 feet was on a sign on the entrance of the women's restroom.

I could see a Highway Patrol officer as he whips out a tape measure out and tells smokes move their rump 20 feet away from the restroom NOW!! That is a little drastic considering the toxic fumes in the restrooms.

Alyssa3467

09-24-2006, 12:55 AM

It's actually a state law now that smoking is not allowed within 20 feet of an operable door or window at a government building. I guess that restroom counted as being a government building... :D:

mechurchlady

09-24-2006, 02:14 AM

Driver_dylan

09-24-2006, 01:04 PM

It is a state of California run rest stop on the side of the Federally owned highway. Ok who was at the state offices supergluing windows shut?

If you think you got it tough now in California you cannot smoke near a bathroom, what is next, 100 feet, a mile or not in the whole state?

I hate to say it, But that's where we are heading. Pretty sad in my view that even though tobacco smokeing is a legal product, to use it is illegal. Well I don't know about the rest of you, but I think all smokers should take up chewing tobacco and see how the health nuts like walking around in tobacco spit. :twisted: :(

kurtisnelson

09-24-2006, 01:41 PM

I do start severley coughing from cigarette smoke!

mechurchlady

09-24-2006, 04:55 PM

I do start severley coughing from cigarette smoke!
As a Californian I am more afraid of smokers nailing shut windows than the cigarette smoke. The smoke makes me puke but it is not fair that people get addicted then are made to stand in the rain while the horse and dog are inside nice and warm.

kurtisnelson

09-24-2006, 08:09 PM

I do blame the cigarette companies, not the smokers. What was the topic? Yesterday at MK I saw no smokers.

Kwahati

09-25-2006, 02:04 AM

but I think all smokers should take up chewing tobacco and see how the health nuts like walking around in tobacco spit.

I recall reading something a couple of years back (I cannot for the life of me recall where I read this) that was talking about the trend for businesses taking away employee smoking areas or making them inaccessible by moving them too far away from buildings. Basically what I recall about the article was that it suggested chewing and spitting in a cup around the office and on the ground outside (and make a big production out of 'I'm doing this because I don't have a place to smoke.') and watch how quick management comes up with an alternate smoking area and slightly revised rules! :D: (And by the way: I chew on planes. I know you're not supposed to, but why? Who am I hurting? Especailly if I'm low key about it so I don't draw attention and gross people out...)

mechurchlady

09-25-2006, 02:05 AM

Yesterday at MK I saw no smokers.
Where you wearing your helmet on backwards, again?

ThunderCat

09-25-2006, 04:05 PM

While I agree that the OP was justified with their actions, there are a lot of smokers that are very annoying at the parks. Is it really too much to ask to contain your smoking in a few dozen isolated areas?
Nope. In fact, that's completely the opposite of the point the OP was trying to make. He was in a smoking section when the SG began her little passive-aggressive shtick.

I mean, come on, there are more smoking sections than bathrooms at all of the WDW parks.
Wow... really? That seems wrong. So let's break it down at the MK, shall we?

MAIN STREET
Smoking Sections: 2
Public Restrooms: 3

TOMORROWLAND
Smoking Sections: 2
Public Restrooms: 2

MICKEY'S TOONTOWN FAIR
Smoking Sections: 1
Public Restrooms: 1

FANTASYLAND
Smoking Sections: 1
Public Restrooms: 4

LIBERTY SQUARE
Smoking Sections: 1
Public Restrooms: 1

FRONTIERLAND
Smoking Sections: 2
Public Restrooms: 2

ADVENTURELAND
Smoking Sections: 1
Public Restrooms: 1

TOTAL IN THE MAGIC KINGDOM
Smoking Sections: 10
Public Restrooms: 14

Nice try, though.

And calling them "leper colonies?" Most of them are nice, quiet, out of the way places with shade and/or a good view.
Actually, historically, leper colonies were located in "out of the way places" - one of the most famous was in Hawaii.

If smokers should be able to smoke anywhere, why shouldn't I be able to urinate or defecate anywhere I want to? It's more natural than smoking and at least it (usually) won't kill me.
Yeah, but you defecators have more defecation areas than we smokers have smoking areas (see above).

Time for my own SGT:

I'm walking through the Splash Mountain exit area when I see a young man smoking under the train station.

Me: Excuse me sir, but this is a non-smoking area. I need you to extinguish that cigarette immediately.

SG: Why can't I smoke anywhere I want to, huh? I'm tired of these no-smoking nazis!

Me: I understand that, sir. However, you're standing underneath our train station -- and our steam trains are fueled by natural gas. Again, for YOUR SAFETY, PLEASE PUT OUT YOUR CIGARETTE.

To his credit, I don't think I've ever seen anyone put a cigarette out so quickly in my life. :D:

Zazu

09-25-2006, 09:15 PM

I'm walking through the Splash Mountain exit area when I see a young man smoking under the train station.

Me: Excuse me sir, but this is a non-smoking area. I need you to extinguish that cigarette immediately.

SG: Why can't I smoke anywhere I want to, huh? I'm tired of these no-smoking nazis!

Me: I understand that, sir. However, you're standing underneath our train station -- and our steam trains are fueled by natural gas. Again, for YOUR SAFETY, PLEASE PUT OUT YOUR CIGARETTE.

To his credit, I don't think I've ever seen anyone put a cigarette out so quickly in my life. :D:Just to set the record straight, the WDW Railroad's locomotives are fueled with low-sulphur #2 fuel oil, not gas.

Howsomeever....

The Jungle Cruise boats and Main Street Vehicles are fueled with compressed natural gas. The compressor and loading stations are behind City Hall. Leaks flow downhill and into the storm drains. These drains are all connected on the west side, and the lowest of the all is below the Frontierland RR station. As a result, the area below the station fills with natural gas whenever there's a leak.

Took me a while to convince myself that there weren't any natural gas lines in the area, but the plans are quite thorough. Disbelieve all contrary stories you might hear.

So, the area below the Frontierland RR Station is still a very bad place for a smoke!

ThunderCat

09-25-2006, 10:42 PM

Took me a while to convince myself that there weren't any natural gas lines in the area, but the plans are quite thorough. Disbelieve all contrary stories you might hear.

So, the area below the Frontierland RR Station is still a very bad place for a smoke!
LOL Thanks for that, Zazu.... and wouldn't you know it, 'twas a Manager that told me that, too. Guess that explains a lot, huh?

Marilou

09-26-2006, 04:11 AM

kurtisnelson

09-26-2006, 01:16 PM

Just to set the record straight, the WDW Railroad's locomotives are fueled with low-sulphur #2 fuel oil, not gas.

Howsomeever....

The Jungle Cruise boats and Main Street Vehicles are fueled with compressed natural gas. The compressor and loading stations are behind City Hall. Leaks flow downhill and into the storm drains. These drains are all connected on the west side, and the lowest of the all is below the Frontierland RR station. As a result, the area below the station fills with natural gas whenever there's a leak.

Took me a while to convince myself that there weren't any natural gas lines in the area, but the plans are quite thorough. Disbelieve all contrary stories you might hear.

So, the area below the Frontierland RR Station is still a very bad place for a smoke!
That explains why it always smells funny down there! And what I meant to say earlier was I saw no smokers out of place at magic kingdom.

Yeti Chaser

09-26-2006, 07:03 PM

Now I am not one to mince words so I'll cut to the chase. I smoke cigars. I enjoy doing so, and do this in moderation. I also smoke good cigars and will think nothing of dropping a twenty on a single stick. So after I went to the cigar shop, seleced my choice stick and sat down on the far side of the walk under a clearly marked smokeing section next to an ashtray.
Dylan: Stupid question after all of these posts.......... Did you ever get to finish that cigar? :dope:

Driver_dylan

09-26-2006, 09:07 PM

yes, but in my car.

ThunderCat

09-26-2006, 10:19 PM

(applauding) Thanks Thundercat for the breakdown of restroom to smoking area ratio! That was great, I have to admit I was curious after the statement that smoking areas outnumber restrooms. Thanks again!
My pleasure - although I must admit, it has changed since I posted it.

The smoking section at the back of the castle (just outside Tinkerbell's Treasures) has been removed. Fantasyland is now completely smoke-free (and as of this posting is the only smoke-free land in the Magic Kingdom).

Marilou

09-27-2006, 03:11 AM

My pleasure - although I must admit, it has changed since I posted it.

The smoking section at the back of the castle (just outside Tinkerbell's Treasures) has been removed. Fantasyland is now completely smoke-free (and as of this posting is the only smoke-free land in the Magic Kingdom).

Dang! That was one of our favorite spots to hit too. I'll have to break the bad news to Mom.
Keep us posted ThunderCat

bpgstudios

09-27-2006, 05:27 AM

Well it's good news for us...kind of. When we do Wishes and start closing off that area we wont have anyone going "oh come on I need a smoke lemme in!"

I am willing to bet it was removed because of the new banquet/ball/probably additionally roped off activity their doing for the YoaMD, since it takes place in that area (Hello people, we have that big covered pavillion by Ariels Grotto, couldnt you put the ball there?)

But now we get to deal with even more (understandably) irate guests that have to go either to LS or TL for a smoke. :(

ThunderCat

09-27-2006, 05:12 PM

Dang! That was one of our favorite spots to hit too. I'll have to break the bad news to Mom.
Keep us posted ThunderCat
Ok... here's the latest update, then.

Apparently that smoking section wasn't removed completely -- just relocated to down the walkway leading to Sleepy Hollow Refreshments.

So, Fantasyland still has one.

kurtisnelson

09-27-2006, 06:41 PM

Well it's good news for us...kind of. When we do Wishes and start closing off that area we wont have anyone going "oh come on I need a smoke lemme in!"
Does that area get closed for fallout during Wishes? I watched wishes for the first time Saturday in fantasyland and it adds extra ..um.. flavor to have ash falling on you.

ThunderCat

09-27-2006, 10:34 PM

Does that area get closed for fallout during Wishes? I watched wishes for the first time Saturday in fantasyland and it adds extra ..um.. flavor to have ash falling on you.
During Wishes, the area directly behind the castle (and both walkways leading from the back of the castle to Liberty Square & Fantasyland) are closed.

EpcotGolfer

09-30-2006, 10:36 PM

Nope. In fact, that's completely the opposite of the point the OP was trying to make. He was in a smoking section when the SG began her little passive-aggressive shtick.

Wow... really? That seems wrong. So let's break it down at the MK, shall we?

...

TOTAL IN THE MAGIC KINGDOM
Smoking Sections: 10
Public Restrooms: 14

Just to prove that I'm not completely full of crap...

I was actually basing my statement about the parkS (notice the S) having more restrooms than smoking areas on more than just the Magic Kingdom. For example (going off of park maps)...

Epcot

OUTSIDE FRONT GATE
Restrooms 2
Smoking Areas 1
FUTURE WORLD
Restrooms 5
Smoking Areas 10
WORLD SHOWCASE
Restrooms 8
Smoking Areas 12
EPCOT TOTAL
Restrooms 15
Smoking Areas 23

Studios

HOLLYWOOD BOULEVARD
Restrooms 1
Smoking Areas 1
SUNSET BOULEVARD
Restrooms 4
Smoking Areas 4
HAT AREA
Restrooms 1
Smoking Areas 2
ANIMATION COURTYARD
Restrooms 1
Smoking Area 1
MICKEY AVENUE
Restrooms 2
Smoking Areas 1
ECHO LAKE
Restrooms 0
Smoking Areas 2
COMMISSARY LANE
Restrooms 1
Smoking Areas 1
STREETS OF AMERICA
Restrooms 2
Smoking Areas 2
STUDIOS TOTAL
Restrooms 12
Smoking Areas 14

ANIMAL KINGDOM

OASIS
Restrooms 2
Smoking Areas 0
DISCOVERY ISLAND
Restrooms 2
Smoking Areas 2
CAMP MINNIE-MICKEY
Restrooms 1
Smoking Areas 1
DINOLAND USA
Restrooms 2
Smoking Areas 2
ASIA
Restrooms 3
Smoking Areas 2
AFRICA
Restrooms 2
Smoking Areas 2
ANIMAL KINGDOM TOTAL
Restrooms 12
Smoking Areas 9

Add that all together with your MK numbers, and your grand total is...
Restrooms 53
Smoking Areas 56

Thanks for playing.

And, as a PS, don't smokers have to eventually defecate too?

APtink

10-03-2006, 04:49 AM

I stayed at CBR this weekend. My son has severe astham and we couldn't figure out why everytime he was in the room his asthma was terrible, until I saw this lady smoking outside her room (2 doors down from us) and the smoke came into our room. I loaded my son up on albuterol and steroids. We were in a non-smoking. The whole building was non-smoking. I didn't say anything to her directly. When we were in the room, I put a towel at the door to try to block the smoke from coming in. The whole thing made me upset, because his asthma had been doing so great, then this set him off. I really debated whether or not to say anything to her. She was obviously a chain smoker by the number of butts sitting on the ground all weekend by her room.

For you smokers out there, what would have been the best thing to say to her and the best way to say it? Say nothing as I did, or explain about my son and ask if she could step away from the building to smoke?

LittleDollClaudia

10-03-2006, 05:15 AM

I work in a non-smoking hotel as well. We try to catch the idiots who don't follow our rules by making them pay an extra $150 dollars. The best thing I could say is let someone who works there know. If you say something to the guest, they may get all pissed and start drama with you. Your safety isn't worth that. We ( hotel employees ) are there to get rid of troublemakers. I agree she should have gone over to the designated area. Also, for future hotel stays, let the front desk know when you are checking in about his condition. Where I work, we try to make your visit as comfortable as possible. A guest told us she was having trouble breathing in her room (she had various allergies) so we placed a special fan in there to remove airborne bacteria and pollens. Good luck with your next vacation.

darph nader

10-03-2006, 09:40 AM

Syndrome

10-03-2006, 07:29 PM

I had a similar situation...we were at the La Quinta from Hell (not the one right at the airport north exit...the one on Daetwyler Drive). We had a non-smoking room, so I couldn't figure out why the towels reeked of smoke in the bathroom...soon enough, our whole room started to smell like smoke. We were in a connecting room, and when I investigated, I discovered the room on the other side of the door was a smoking room!! And they wouldn't move us because we were on a cheap Priceline rate. Thank goodness it was only for one night, prior to a cruise. By the next morning, my sinuses were completely plugged, my nose was running like a faucet, and my eyes looked like I had been crying for a week.